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Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« on: December 12, 2014, 06:44:30 AM »


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2014, 08:35:25 AM »
Thanks to everyone involved in the Federation for all the work done in 2014 - great stuff.  And especially to Wal Gordon - a man amongst men, you have earned such respect for taking a stand, we need to follow your example. 

Interesting article about SKILLS - they seem such a bumbling group of individuals, scarily in charge of a huge amount of money.  Stephen Joyce made a major F++k up bundling all these ITO's together - it hasn't work for the betterment of industry (well, our industries anyway).  The beast is too large to be tamed almost, but then I remember the David and Goliath story....

Merry Christmas to all - the holidays can't come fast enough for me.
Have you learned lessons only of those who admired you, and were tender with you, and stood aside for you?  Have you not learned great lessons from those who braced themselves against you, and disputed the passage with you?  (Walt Whitman 1819-1891)  American Poet

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2014, 07:52:32 PM »
Hi Jax and fellow readers.

Yes the Federation has done a lot for the industry this year and you have to take your hat off to all those who support Wal and the cause. When you see all the information that is published in the Fellow Practitioner each week it makes you wonder what will happen next. Perhaps there is still a lot more that the industry don't know about.

I remember seeing Wal on the TV a few years ago talking about the Paul Gee case and he said the faces on the Board change but not the attitudes. That stuck with me and as the years go by I think he was right back then and saw it long before us. Jax is right that we all need to step up and help. I think it will be my New Years resolution to get off my backside and help.


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2014, 08:07:03 PM »
Well they say Nero fiddled while Rome burned so it is not a new management model.
 Just proven to have less than desirable outcomes!

They also say that as in life as in sewerage the good stuff floats to the top.

You get holidays Jax? :D

Enjoy your holidays guys, the way my phone has been going with people wanting stuff done before Christmas i could be flat out for a couple of months! It's the same every year....



 
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Plumbing is not a career it is a disease....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2014, 10:04:21 AM »
They also say some organisations are like septic tanks.  Green and lush on the top but full of shit under the surface.

You don't have to have a PhD in landslides to know that if you don't have a solid foundation with depth then when pressure is put on the surface it will slip away exposing the poor structure underneath. No matter how much topsoil and manure you put on its not going to stop a landslide.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2015, 10:54:53 PM »
Apparently they have published a policy on "dealing with unreasonable people".......

I should get a copy and apply it to how they fob the industry off with their fingers in their ears going lalalalalala, tell lies, hide evidence, turn a blind eye to blatant evidence, even misrepresent it and then tax us via a charity and frame innocent people......sounds pretty unreasonable to act like that.


Or just another way of coving up for being a dodgy bunch of....er hum Professionals. LOL.

Like a rotten tomato, nice and shiny on the outside but every time you prod it some more shit oozes out......needs blating.
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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2015, 09:59:48 AM »
As I was driving thru Warkworth, I saw a 20m (approx) line of pexal on a commercial building that was not lagged and had turned white in the sun. Never seen that before. Perhaps if there were auditors checking full time rather than only when a complaint is made, this kind of thing could be corrected without the need for $20k hearing and a 10K fine

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2015, 03:26:24 PM »
I saw that policy on the website and can only assume, from the comfort of my arm chair that the policy has been written specifically for the Board's dealings with Paul Gee.  I imagine that they are not liking the fact that Paul is not going away quietly, he is not "taking his medicine" from the Board, and he is consistently pointing out inconsistencies  in the Board's approach to his case and the charges against him, and the case bought against others and the medicine handed out to them. 

This case would need to go down as one of the most shameful in the history of this PGDB.  The investigating was shoddy, ill conceived, some might say vindictive, and unprofessional in my opinion.  The holes that got shot through it by Wal Gordon and Paul were absolutely gobsmacking.  For the Board to lay 44, yes 44 charges and only get a guilty on 2 of them (and I believe Mr Gee is contesting the two he was found guilty on) shows that the Board did not do their homework before deciding to charge Mr Gee and going through with a farce of a hearing.

I believe there have been numerous items of correspondence from Mr Gee to the Board - and when I saw this policy I immediately thought that it had been written with him in mind so there will be a justification on their part now to no longer correspond or involve themselves with him.

I guess only time will tell whether this is true or not when they finally refuse to write back to Mr Gee and cite the policy as the reason.

I wonder if they will apply it internally?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2015, 06:30:30 PM »
I wonder if the shocking administrating of the gas cert system will come under this policy too, how dare we even ask?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2015, 06:44:21 PM »
In my hot water cupboard of dealing with these corrupt twats......I am going to miss my little open vent by email........better go check my TPR when they take away that open vent, and perhaps turn my temp down.....hope my stat don't fail......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2015, 06:48:46 PM »
From the nice people from the tele......



Thank you for contacting Campbell Live.

 

We do receive a high volume of emails, if your story is of interest to us we will be in touch as soon as we can. It's helpful to have a phone number to contact you on, and please include your original text with that so we have all the information together.

 

Many thanks,

the Campbell Live Team.


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2015, 09:23:48 PM »
hi guys, the board cannot `undo` their illegal rulings of the past! ah but wait they just get the governing minister to change the law to say they can, and they did, bugger is that even legal? cheers 

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2015, 04:38:03 AM »
Still got some up my sleeve mate....

What every kiwi (not just those tradies affected by these goons) should ask themselves is....... even if this is massive to me and my family (and believe me it is huge), it is mere small fry to the powers that be..... but if they will cover up such corruption and ineptitude over a "relatively" small matter.....what do they do over the big stuff, the world changers?

As a Government, you are not only judged by your actions but also by your inactions and what you are prepared to ignore. Or do we have acceptable levels of corruption and law breaking?

If the law of the land only applies to some (usually the "lower" levels, the least powerful) and not others (usually the ones running the show, and from my experience it is a show), it is a form of control not democracy.

Which is it?


I want to read this policy and apply it to them and their recorded and documented behaviour, with signed correspondence.

Someone else send Campbell live an email, the more the merrier ......... god knows they have a few off me.... just copy and paste off here if you want.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2015, 05:09:30 PM »
The attachments from the correspondence below........


You got to ask why they are so against checking that this house is safe....

 


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