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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2015, 08:24:31 AM »
I have been warning about dodgy certs covering dodgy work since 2002, my boss bought 4 books of certs in my name just after I told him I couldn't work for some one who was clueless and had no concept of safety. Which was understandable because he had no formal training and was given hid full craftsman's ticket, by none other than the same person who the Board later knowingly appointed to be the "impartial" investigator.

I was told by the investigator when I told him about these books of certs mentioned above that "it was common practice" and when I pushed it that "I should make sure I have my own house in order before dobbing my boss in" and that the system "was too big to fail", well Tony my house was in order and the cert system has failed.

The Board then went on to ignore a fraud that was highlighted at my hearing (this was separate to my boss and the explosion, although I believe there were others), a near fatal explosion, altered charges, conflicts of interest, they sent child sexual case notes to my wife, lied about me, wrote all the statements for the witnesses at my hearing (which some said they wouldn't sign, one saying that if she had "seen the photo she never would have signed"), wrote lies in my local paper about my short coming for my ability to position a califont.....then later ignored a califont at another address, which was fitted closer than mine (note:my customer said it was never a problem, the one the Board ignored.. was closer and had been complained about by the owners), there is lots more, lots lots more etc etc.


Whose behaviour is unreasonable? Who should be ignored? Who needs to have articles written about them in their local papers, national papers?

People in other countries are willing to risk their lives and pay with their lives to draw cartoons......where is our press/media....my local paper's head reporter told me that their paper didn't have the resources to warn their own readership about safety concerns about this dire situation, this was after someone nearly died in an explosion and they had no problem repeating the lies the Board had issued over my case.


I have enough on these twats to show them for what they are, it just needs someone to tell the Public at large, they would be gone by dinner.
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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2015, 10:46:49 AM »
Hello Guests, it is always amazing to watch the "guest" numbers grow, all I ask is a fair hearing on a level playing ground with a truly neutral ref, but most of all done in the public eye, warts and all.

I am sure if anything I have publically said was untrue or liable  I would have the board's gaggle of lawyers, that we tradesman pay for, on me like white in rice.

Now guests go look at my many posts on here and have a think about it, I have had my break from this that I promised myself and my wife, now I am back in to it, believe me I will get this sorted.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2015, 10:53:35 AM »
Sent this morning

Sent: Saturday, 10 January 2015 10:49 a.m.
To: 'Paul & Emma Gee'; 'Registrar'; communications@pgdb.co.nz; complaints@pgdb.co.nz
Cc: 'Wal Gordon'; 'Allan Day'; 'Colleen Upton'; 'Lyndon Moffitt'; campbelllive@tv3.co.nz; 'Andrew Little'; jacinda.ardern@parliament.govt.nz; 'Janis Adair'; 'Jude Hutton'
Subject: RE: Letter responding to 26 Nov email

 

Hi All,

 

 

Please do not think this is even remotely over for me, please see my posts under “Badger” on the plumbers forum.

 

 

 

http://www.plumbers.co.nz/forum/fellow-practitioners-update/41/fellow-practitioner-issue-236-dated-12-december-2014/1810/msg9143#msg9143

 

 

 


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2015, 05:46:24 PM »
Another sent this evening

Mr Pederson,

 

Please can you confirm whether the 8th person from the left in the back row, is Peter Jackson the present chair of the Board. The one stood next to John Darnley (my ex boss who the Board have been protecting since an explosion nearly killed someone), Mr Darnley circled on the left and Mr Jackson circled on the right of the back row.

 

I can positively identify the so called “Impartial” investigator (Tony Hammond) later appointed to persecute me, and two other Board members, one of these Board members (Stephen Parker) later to be the chair of my hearing, the same chair that called a halt to my hearing just as my advocate and I were going to totally clear my name, the last 2 charges out of the 44 trumped up charges. Of note this and other photos contradict Tony Hammond’s signed affidavit re- how well he knew Mr Darnley and how many times he had met John Darnley.

 

Ironically this was the year, 2006, that the Board received a letter written by Nick Smith MP airing my complaints about dodgy certs covering dodgy work, the later explosion occurring in 2009.

 

I do not think it frivolous, vexatious or unreasonable to ask this and expect an answer, full disclosure of relationships is a very serious matter and I feel it is reasonable to make this request and I think it is also reasonable to expect an answer, please do not reply that Mr Jackson was not a member of NZIGE, just whether it is him in the photo.

 

I do how ever think it is unreasonable for my family to lose our home, business and reputation because I was made a scapegoat to cover up the total mismanagement by the Board of the gas safety cert system that ended in an explosion.

 


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2015, 10:17:30 PM »
A history of what happened to my family,  from the pages of Parliament, link below.....

http://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/50SCCO_EVI_00DBHOH_BILL10613_1_A228633/41f318cdc17be834a9f590445ffcdc8d878343be

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2015, 10:21:00 PM »
just copy and paste the link below to a google search engine.......what would you do? would you let it lie? I won't....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2015, 05:34:39 PM »
FYI GUYS, the policy for dealing with unreasonable behaviour.....

http://www.pgdb.co.nz/~downloads/Dealing%20with%20unreasonable%20behaviour%202014.pdf


As read it they should always act fairly and honestly and in good faith and they should consider the amount of loss inflicted on people....well I have lost a hell of a lot and they have not acted fairly, very far from it and they have lied about me, actually in one event having to apologise for it when they prejudiced all of the witness's for my hearing by inferring that I was capable of acting out side the law, all done before my hearing. See attached. They have issued a lot of letter like this, denying and ignoring blatant proof, all signed too.

Well when they stop talking to me (and they will), it is time to up the ante in the public arena.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2015, 08:10:17 PM »
That's very strange the link below stopped working twice.....and it was part of Parliaments records......how could have that happened?????


Anyway here it is in full sorry about this, its a bit long, but what would you do?



Please take the time to read this, I thank you in advance….

My name is Paul Gee; I am a craftsman/certifying gasfitter and plumber from Nelson/Takaka.
I have tried to warn about dodgy/dangerous work signed off by incomplete/dodgy certificates for 6 years and was ignored by the Plumbers board, all before an explosion nearly killed someone in 2009. Since then a resulting witch-hunt and hearing was inflicted on my family. Because of this, I have had to work away from my young family, for over 18 months. I was made a scapegoat by the very people who I had tried to warn. These same people (the Board) were responsible for empowering my old boss (the person I had tried to warn them about).
Even after expressing my concerns about impartiality, I was ignored to the point that the “Impartial” investigator that I had complained about was overseen by his colleague as chair of my hearing with little to nothing registered in the conflict register. I had letters sent to my customers by the Board that told lies about me, had evidence with held and witnesses added at the last minute and others that wouldn’t sign their own “statements”, child sexual abuse case notes sent to my home address opened by my wife, I lost my business, home, reputation and time with my two young sons and wife.
I have been living in a caravan for many months working away for extended periods and only seeing my family sporadically, I have missed 18 months out of my 5 and 7 year old sons lives……I have done nothing wrong, please read on to see my whole story…….

A Very True Story Every NZ Tradesman Should Read
 Back ground History
I complained about the work practices of my old employer, John Darnley, since 2003 and the dodgy certs involved, and many times since 2003. I left his employment at Allgas, after just 10 months. I left because of safety concerns and have repeatedly told any who would listen, including numerous MPs, Master Plumbers, Nelson Mail and industry. The only MP to listen and act was Nick Smith who wrote a letter on my behalf in 2006. Ironically, I also have a photo (amongst other photos) from 2006 the same year. It shows the “impartial” investigator who was later appointed to persecute me, a few Board members and my old boss. It is of a gathering of members of an industry group to which my old boss was a member, aswell as some Board members, the presiding Board member for my hearing and the “impartial” investigator who is actually a fellow of that institute.
One of the main contributing factors to my leaving Allgas was the remark, that a technical specification wasn’t required, I was told by my old boss to “just use poker face and make out you know what you are doing”. This was for a job where the owner has the same hot water in his central heating radiators as to that which comes out of his hot taps and shower, all known to the Board. The final straw was being told to fit an appliance contrary to the very large warning on the box….This shows the attitude I came across at Allgas.
Apparently the Board feels that as John Darnley is retired now, he is no longer a threat. Please bare in mind he worked for well over a decade, empowered with a craftsman ticket (that was granted to him by the “Impartial” investigator some years before after one oral exam, with no training). This licence allowed my old boss to sign off himself aswell as other less “qualified” people. That work is still out there. It was discovered at my hearing that he wasn’t against the signing off of unlicensed people too, who in all probability may be totally untrained at that.  The chip shop was about 7 years old when it exploded. Some times it can take some time for all the essential factors to congregate altogether at one point in time, which is the case more often than not.
I was unaware, at the time of making my initial complaints that some of the people to whom I was complaining to, including Board members, were members of the same industry groups as my old boss. The presence of these industry groups on an industry Board, according to the NZ Law commission, is against best practice and the Commission recommends against it because of the impartiality questions it raises.
I must add I am not a stirrer, grass or dobber, but when you see other peoples families put at risk, for profit….what are you meant to do???? I do not want to get someone in trouble for just trying to earn a crust to provide for his or her family. But if you are prepared to earn that crust while putting others at risk, then it is a totally different matter.


A Near Fatal Explosion
Then we had the explosion that nearly killed someone at the Milton St chip shop in April 09 at 9 30 in the morning on a school day, I had been complaining for six years by then. The chip shop was an old butcher’s type, glass fronted building. Where school children queue up in front before school, if the explosion was an hour earlier it could have been so very much worse, the potential still terrifies me. 
Still, this incident has ruined at least two family’s lives, mine and Ron Clarke’s, the chip shop owner. I was mortgage free in a very modest house with no debt what so ever, I lost everything. Initially my wife had to live in a caravan while I was forced to work away from her and my two young lads, I now live in the same caravan in a plumbers yard.
Ron and his wife have told me the huge effect it has had on them, not all physical either. It has been a financial, emotional train wreck for both families, I really feel for Ron and the effect it has had, not to mention the fact it nearly killed him.
The Inquisition
I came forward on the day of the explosion and volunteered to be interviewed by Mr Hammond. This was my first mistake. I answered all his concerns, to the point where none of his initial “concerns” made it into the final charges, but he still pursued me and asked for more jobs to be checked, I have a letter from the Board’s representative stating that 3 whole years of my installs were then checked, all the ones still in use.
I asked for an impartiality hearing because I could see where it was heading. Over the years, previous to the explosion, while making my complaints I had been threatened, and could see these people were going to make good on those threats, some high ranking Master Plumbers, I was shocked at this as I was a member and had served as a local president.
I was told by my lawyer and his QC colleague to plead guilty, take it on the chin and open a café. Opening a café was an idea my wife and I had had for her to do when the kids went to school full time. We now live in the very run down building on the site of this “dream”. The Lawyer had to that point cost me over $10 000.
This was where Wal Gordon entered the situation; I really would have been lost at this point and had thought I had explored every opportunity to defend myself……for something I had spent 6 years warning against.
I went to an impartiality hearing that I had requested before the actual hearing, to put forward my concerns about the impartiality of the Board and its appointed investigator. The Board had an opportunity, right there and then, to put a stop to this persecution. I provided photos and membership lists, etc but to no avail.
“They” judged that “they” were impartial…….. how can someone decide whether or not they are impartial? The question alone means you are involved. 3 of the 5 members of the panel, I had complained about, giving them the majority, over seen by Master Plumbers Mark Whitehead and Peter Jackson amongst others.

Licence in a box of cornflakes
To the best of my knowledge Mr Darnley had been granted his full craftsman gas fitters ticket by the very same person who was later appointed as the “impartial” investigator to my case, Mr Darnley did just one oral exam with no formal apprenticeship. Other gasfitters with full apprenticeships served and experience running gasfitting businesses, all be it from other countries, have had to re-sit and start from scratch. Basically reduced to an apprentice on entering the country, it usually amounts to 7 to 10 years of exams and practical assessments, as was my case. It is of note that John Darnley is also originally from the UK, as is Mr Hammond.
The Boards “impartial” investigator, the presiding board member for my hearing and John Darnley were members of the same organisations, industry organisations, along with other Board members, past and present. John Darnley resigned from one of these institutes the very month following the explosion.






It Is OK To Tell Lies.
Before my hearing I was rung by the caretaker of Motueka High school. The Board’s acting registrar, Kern Uren, had sent them a letter (unknown to me up until that point, along with 5 other letters, to my customers ranging from the West Coast, Nelson, Motueka to Havelock, basically the whole of the area I had ever covered with my business) implying I had issued certs illegally in Northland, a place I have never even been to. It was from this point that my business basically disappeared, overnight.

It was later admitted by Mr Uren that these letters could have been “better tailored”, but only did this after  months of letting it run, ruining my reputation. Kern Uren also phoned me to “warn” in a manner that I found very upsetting and unnerving, we were at the time corresponding by email, and judging by the content of the phone call not a good idea for him to commit to writing.

Mr Uren then later accused me of being vexatious when I produced copies of gas certs that had writing on them that was absent on the carbon copies. This meant it was added after signature.
Mr Uren also failed to act when shown a letter written to the Board, written in my name. It was sent to alter a  gas cert’s address; it was dated 3 months after I had left Allgas. It was not written by me, but it was written on Allgas letter head concerning an Allgas customer. All the gas certs at Allgas were filled in by the office staff, which were never questioned and still are not to this day. The office was manned by John’s Darnley’s wife and daughter.
Relationships
The presiding Board Member for my hearing and the impartial investigator have served together in numerous organisations, sometimes giving presentations together, sometimes running the same industry trusts. A quick Google of Tony Hammond (investigator) and Stephen Parker (presiding Board member at the hearing) proves this. Actually a Google search of all concerned and the word “gas” is hugely informative, along with the industry groups and legal people. If you Google my name and gas you mostly get reference to the explosion, it isn’t helping to repair my reputation, neither are the constant press releases by the Board. I have been quoted as calling my self a “mere plumber”, but no one can find where I said it, in context.

Protecting Their Own Creation
The 2 x “impartial” investigators, Tony Hammond and John DeBernardo, had helped write the NZ gas regs. Mr Hammond was also heavily responsible for deregulating the gas industry, for them to find fault in the gas cert system and gas regs would be like asking a sculptor to pick holes in his biggest and best creation.

The second “impartial” investigator, Mr DeBernardo, another high ranking Master Plumber, even though he billed for a large amount of time and costs, his notes were withheld. I still to this day not know the full extent of what he did or contributed, but he was paid quite a large sum, as was Mr Hammond. Other information was withheld under legal privilege.
 
Stooping To Any Level
My lowest point, without doubt, was coming home to find my wife sobbing hysterically, literally in pieces, emotionally. She had opened some correspondence from the Boards investigator referencing, very graphically, child sexual abuse. It was marked as past presidents for case law on probabilities, not just one case but three cases all including some sexual deviancy. I would include it, but it really is too sick, you can find it on the “NZ Plumber’s Forum” under posts from “Badger”. I am certain that there are other more palatable past cases to reference, and to send it in a “plain” envelope as it were, for anyone unsuspecting to open is just warped.
These people have done nothing short of terrorising my wife and had a huge effect on my young family….and by anyone’s measure they are undoubtedly totally innocent of anything.



It was sent when she was facing the prospect of having to sell her home and have her husband work away and raise her two lads alone in a caravan for the winter, this then later happened. We have lived in a very run down house (which was once a dream of a café) since. These people do not to care what they do to people and their families or the public for that matter. I am not the only one, far from it. There are literally heaps of unfortunates who have been put in this situation; they are just too nervous to come forward, usually after suffering at the hands of these people.
The “Fair” Trial
The 42 charges that I was found not guilty of were ludicrous. One of the charges was for fitting a califont that wasn’t even manufactured in Japan on the date of when I was supposedly to have installed it, according to the serial number, which is in full view on the side of it, easily seen by any one who wanted to see it.
The other charges were just as bad and the sites only investigated by Mr Hammond after he laid charges. Some of the charges were amended to better fit the facts discovered by Mr Hammond after his………………… re-investigation.
It is an industry perception, openly pushed by the Board, to plead guilty and the Board will only ask for a fine and not costs. They let it be known that the costs usually out way the fine quite substantially. The Board also boast of a 100% conviction rate, which is statistically impossible. Not every single person before them is guilty, but most plead that way to minimise the actual financial cost. All this can be found on their web site.
The Outcome
I was found not guilty of 42 of 44 charges and nothing at the site of the explosion; the last two were for –
Charge 1… The installing of a califont fitted 540mm vertically below an opening window. I have a British standard allows for a 300mm gap (see attached BS regs; pages 42 and 43). I also have an email from a senior building adviser from the Dept of Building and Housing. As I read it is saying I can use British standards, if they are relevant, see below in email to Boards CEO.
The same NZ reg referenced by the Board for a 1500mm gap is to a “passive” opening window. The same table/reg allows a 1000mm gap to an “active” mechanical inlet into the building (which would act like a vacuum cleaner, sucking in the fumes from outside to inside). So according to this same NZ reg you can have something mechanically in sucking air, into a building 500mm nearer than a window that just sits there, passively open.
It specifically mentions a spa blower, which would suck the fumes from outside and literally place them under the nose of the person in the bath. I checked the specification for these fans on a spa blower; they suck by the cubic metre per minuet, they would fill a normal sized bath room in a matter of minutes.
Perhaps this is why a 300mm gap is allowed in the UK and the same NZ reg was amended in May 05 to allow for a horizontal clearance of 500mm to an opening window, down from 1500mm previously.
Charge 2… This was for signing the gas certificate for that address mentioned above. So this last charge would fall over if the positioning of the califont charge fell over, leaving me after a near 3 year battle, after loosing everything……. 100% innocent of any wrong doing, which I still believe I am.
If you were to read the Boards public slating of me, made before my right to appeal, you could be forgiven for thinking I was dodgy and incompetent, as do all my customers apparently as my business is kaput, and you can’t blame them.
It is of note these last charges were the only ones where I admitted to doing all the work and I still stand by the work, in light of the email below and the British Standard reg.

Who do you ask for Advice?
See below the email I sent to the Boards CEO, it includes an email I received from the Dept of Building and Housing, after I asked about using a British Standard reg in NZ. It is of note that the author of the email below from the Dept of Building and Housing shares the same name with a panel member that wrote the NZ gas regs, a list of people appear inside the front cover of NZ 5261. If it is the same person, then I am sure he is qualified to pass comment. The Boards very limiting policy on appeals means I could not produce this email at the appeal either or the British Reg.


 
It is of note that the UK population and per capita use of gas is massively in excess to that of NZ, and would undoubtedly show any short comings or problems in the application of this British Standard written in the year 2000, pre-dating all this carry on by 3 years at least and is still in use.

I was asked at the hearing by the Board what document I had used to locate the heater and truthfully answered that I had referenced a tech note from another manufacturer. I have learnt over the last 16 years to start a sentence with “back in the UK” gets a lot of kiwis off side and so didn’t mention the British Standard. I really thought a tech note from one of the biggest califont manufactures sufficient. The only other gasfitter present was Scottish and I would have thought this British Standard specifically for a fan forced appliance below an opening window, in all probability would be known to him. His name is Graham Hardy another high ranking Master Plumber.
But as I hadn’t mentioned this British standard or the email allowing its use at the original hearing I could not bring it up at the appeal. The ONLY other gasfitter present in the room and on the hearing’s panel for the Board was Scottish and in all probability had used the very same standard in the UK, as it is dated for the year 2000. A person of the same name as the Scottish gasfitter has since been nominated for a place on the Board of the Master Plumbers.
I concentrated on all the other charges, thinking that a tech note for much larger models would have answered that charge. My mistake was not mentioning the British standard. If I had mentioned it, then the Judge could have considered it, even though it was in all probability known to both sides, i.e. the only gasfitters in the room at the hearing, myself and the Scottish Board member.
Any reasonably minded and experienced gasfitter will tell you a Bosch califont is extremely similar if not identical to a Rinnai one, and a Rheems one for that matter, in performance and design. Also the NZ or BS regs do not differentiate between brands, only appliances. They are the same appliance.
In the face of all this and against all odds we managed to prove my innocence of 95% of these trumped up charges, even when I had had notes and photos withheld and witnesses added two days out from the hearing. At least one withheld photo showed that what I had said for the previous 2 years was true. The forensic investigator for the police had taken over 100 photos; the “impartial” investigator for the Board only showed me about 11 or 12, the ones withheld showed what I had said for nearly 2 years and I only got to see them at the hearing.
Many of the witnesses refused to sign their own witness statements or changed their statements just before or on the stand or refused to show, such was the nature of the evidence. 
I believe that I am totally innocent, the British standard proves what I did was safe, as everyone in the UK aren’t keeling over dead when their fan forced flue appliances are fitted with this 300mm clearance to an opening window vertically above. This proves the mandatory part one of the NZ reg was adhered to, the part 2 “breach” I was convicted of is not mandatory, but a form of compliance, again please see email below and the actual reg NZ5261.
Still….. 95% result is a good pass mark, by any standard, in any exam.


Thank you Wal
My advocate Wal Gordon of the NZ Plumbers Federation deserves huge credit, as do all the people who have helped me. He still stuck by me when he was phoned up and threatened to “watch what horses he backed”, this was by a prominent Nelson master plumber, son in law to a life member of Master Plumbers and ex board member. I still think this coward owes Wal an apology, he could have done it in person the night previously, but chose to wait until Wal was leaving the next day….. and did it by phone, spineless. Apart from a few beers forced on him, Wal has received no monetary payment at all and has put in many many hours, not just for me, but for the plumbing industry as a whole.




The Cover up, covered up since 2003
On going concerns, while researching for my hearing and appeal I have discovered that at least 11 certificates, out of only a 150 cert search sample, has the gas leak pressure test results not filled in, and according to an insurance expert this could very possibly nullify people’s house and / or business insurance. The poor sods that have paid good money for services are being let down and deserve to know. These incomplete certs were processed and accepted by the Board, some showing highlight pen on the missing information, I kid you not.

Mr Hammond brought to one of my initial voluntary interviews… black ink photo copies of the certs concerned while I worked at Allgas. They were done on pink paper, this gave the effect that they were true photo copies of the master pink copies….helping mask the multitude of different colour inks all over the certs.  I only got to see true copies after a lot of trying. My first request to see them I was told, way back in 2003, there were over 1000 certs in my name and it would cost $25 per cert to get a copy. Then later I was told that the freedom of information act didn’t apply to the Board, and then finally allowed to see them after applying under the privacy act and after the 2009 explosion, which is when I saw all the different colour ink.
I had initially made inquires at the Board about 4 books of gas certs in 2003 and again just recently. These books of certs were ordered and bought in my name with out my permission by Allgas. They were ordered the day after I had told my old boss in no uncertain terms that I was leaving. I was told in writing that they had been returned and correctly filled in, all except 1 cert. I have been told this twice by a Board’s legal representative, by letter. Even though this cert is claimed not to have been received by the Board, this same cert has an electronic copy on the Boards web site, which is impossible if it wasn’t registered. This same cert just so happens to have the gas leak test results missing.
I have also been told in writing that the cert for a pizza oven installed a year after the initial install at the exploding chip shop wasn’t registered at the Board. The Board state that they were made aware of this 9 days after the explosion, yet again a missed opportunity to stop persecuting me. But this claimed to be unregistered cert according to the Board also has an electronic copy and the carbon copies that I have seen also have the gas pressure leak test results missing.
Legally, if the test results aren’t filled in then “legally” the install hasn’t been tested for leaks, it potentially nullifies the cert and in doing so can nullify the owners insurance and I should imagine building consents and council paper work. The expert from the Insurance overseers says this is of concern also.
According to Mr Uren and Mr Hammond, it is common practice to have someone order, pay for, fill out, sell and register certs in your name. This is OK’d by these people of responsibility, even though these legal documents, the certs, are marked “non transferable”.

A Reasonable Request
I ask you to warn the public to check their certs and contact the Board if they have any concerns. The Board have definitely been aware of this for quite a few months, may be much much longer. To the best of my knowledge they have not acted or notified anyone. 11 certs out of the 150 I asked for is a huge %, and include certs stated as being filled in correctly by a Board legal representative and include certs that are from the batch ordered in my name, with out my permission….and with the blessing of Mr Hammond and Mr Uren.
The Board want to charge me money to check this situation further. I have had quotes for $1000’s of dollars to check and police their own faulty system, faulty with their full knowledge. But it appears they are not prepared to do this themselves and act in the best interest for the public to whom they have been registered to protect as a charity…..yes a charity, a status now lost to the chagrin of Mr Bickers who will now have to charge more because he lost his tax loop hole . I have shown them a hell of a lot of information and evidence to warrant concern, but as far as I know they have done nothing. The people of Nelson, perhaps NZ, deserve so much more.
As the Board lost their charity status, they publically claimed that it would cost plumbers more now that they had lost their method of tax avoidance, unbelievable I know.





I was told by the CEO of the Board that the electronic copy of the gas certs on the Boards website was a representation of the original “paper” copy, the paper copy being the legal copy and that the Board kept these original paper copies indefinitely, but then I was told that they could not locate many of the paper copies I had requested. Some certs were “rediscovered” when I told them I had photos of carbon copies of 15 certs that I had obtained from the gas suppliers, some of which had test results missing. Some paper certs are still not available from the Board.

This electronic system for recording certs reportedly cost a large sum of money; I have been told 100’s of 1000’s of dollars but can’t verify this. So too, a  $90 000 Christmas trip to Melbourne for the Board which included their partners, nice work if you can get it, if it is true. Ultimately, all paid for by the NZ public. Also Kern Uren has his son and son’s father in law working at the Board’s secretariat, the one position had about 200 applications for the job. Perhaps someone with a bit more pull than me could ask? 

I have neither the will nor the resources to police and investigate this faulty system. The Board’s website for gas certs now carries a recently added disclaimer and the “print” button has been removed, the disclaimer says that the electronic copy may not represent the paper copy, but it ran for many years without this disclaimer and had a print button. The whole industry and the public have been misrepresented by this state of affairs. For example, people who have used this public source of official information to print off certs, incorrect ones, while selling a house, have relied on incorrect and false information, provided by the very authority entrusted to hold and protect that information. And also you have the problem with the insurance. I believe the public have a right to know this, and apparently the Board aren’t addressing it.
It is of note that the only certs that don't carry a disclaimer are the ones filled in by the gasfitters them selves, and have no paper copies and the Board don't hold any “signed” copies of these, which according to the Act, they should. They are now proposing that they don't have to hold any copies, at all. That'll work I’m sure.

Dodgy Work
Also ask the readers of this letter to contact someone, me, anyone, if the room their gas appliance is in has a blackening of the walls, this and many more potential death traps I have come across in my work in Nelson, but if you fix it no one wants to know. I went to one property that had blackened walls and told the customer I would have disconnect it, his reply was not to disconnect the fire, as his 6 year old daughter loved the fire and went out like a light on the settee, he was poisoning her without knowing. Authorities only want to know if it is “immediately” dangerous…. even “potentially” dangerous isn’t investigated and no one wants to know about it. If you find this unbelievable, as I do, check the publications by the authorities, utter madness. 
You are not to smell raw un-burnt gas, it is not ok. I have had people report a smell of gas, “because it has smelt for weeks”. Every appliance should be serviced at least every two years, usually annually and in a commercial situation every 6 to 3 months. Some appliances can give a small smell of gas upon light up or when you get your bottles filled, but on the whole you should not be able to smell raw un-burnt gas, ever.
There is more to this fiasco but, believe it or not, I am trying to condense it to the main points, but it has gone on for many years. It has consumed my life, ruined my business and put a huge strain on my wife's stress levels. I can see people glaze over when I start to talk about it because there is so much; it really requires a public enquiry, please before we have another incident.
I just want my life back; my only real mistake was trying to protect the public (I had nothing to gain by trying to warn about all this, believe it or not my business was going along great and I didn’t need the work)……. by telling the very people who were responsible for empowering the man who was causing me so much concern, and still does. Please don’t let it take a worse incident to get a truly independent inquiry.
I have been asked by a Board member, amongst others… why I just don’t leave NZ, one real easy answer……. I bloody love it here, and my kids are kiwis and so are me and my wife.... all of us NZ citizens…….…I ain’t going nowhere, why should I. The NZ public deserve so much more and a small few are spoiling it for others, just to line their pockets and get a power trip at the expense of others. Their actions show their intent.
Yours Sincerely Paul Gee


Please see below correspondence with Board CEO and the Dept of Building and Housing……..

from: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gasnsolarservices@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 22 March 2012 6:24 p.m.
To: 'Max Pedersen'
Cc: 'Wal Gordon'; 'Allan Day'; 'closeup@tvnz.co.nz'; 'Jehan Casinader'
Subject: Paul Gee
Max, 
Please can you tell me where and when I might be able to do the course that is my punishment for using a British Standard for the positioning of a califont, and when must I do this by.
Also please can you let me know if I can use the attached British Standard, especially page 42 and 43, in light of an email below.
It is very confusing, please can you clarify, thank you.
Paul and Emma,
Please find below a brief overview of gasfitting in New Zealand.
   “Gasfitting” is a defined term in the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Act 2006
   In order to do gasfitting you have to be licensed by the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board
   Gas work (gasfitting) must comply with the Gas Regulations and be certified by the gasfitter as complying with NZS 5261: 2003, part 1 which is the Performance based design and installation criteria
   Part 2 of NZS 5261 gives one way of complying with Part 1, but other ways of complying with part 1 can be used. Relevant Australian or British standards may be used if the gasfitter can demonstrate compliance with NZS 5261, Part1
As I understand it this differs from the UK where home owners are able to do their own gas work.
Other sources of information can be obtained from the Energy Safety Service (www.ess.govt.nz) and the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board (www.pgdb.co.nz)
Please telephone if you wish to discuss
Kind regards
Bruce
Bruce Klein
Senior Advisor Building Standards

Department of Building and Housing
Te Tari Kaupapa Whare
DDI: (04) 8174812
Level 6, 86 Customhouse Quay
PO Box 10729, Wellington 6143, New Zealand
Web: http://www.dbh.govt.nz
 


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2015, 08:12:30 PM »
Believe it or not there is much much more to this, as this was written quite a few years ago, they have done even more since.....


who is being unreasonable??

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2015, 09:44:00 PM »
From the "history" below.....

I have also been told in writing that the cert for a pizza oven installed a year after the initial install at the exploding chip shop wasn’t registered at the Board. The Board state that they were made aware of this 9 days after the explosion, yet again a missed opportunity to stop persecuting me. But this claimed to be unregistered cert according to the Board also has an electronic copy and the carbon copies that I have seen also have the gas pressure leak test results missing.

Guess who "didn't register" this cert......known 9 days after the explosion......yep you guessed it Mr Darnley.

It is probably what Maurice Williamson was on about when he wrongly (and had to retract it in Parliament), said about the dire explosion at a certain Pizza retailer.......just days later he gave his big "gay rainbow" speech.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2015, 10:43:41 PM »
Now bear in mind that no one has been found responsible for the explosion(right up to today), even though over $200 000 was spent and Darnley faced a charge for the explosion, but it miraculously disappeared with no trial, and all the evidence pointed to either him or someone at Allgas, but the Board ignored it or didn't bother to ask the staff at Allgas. I got all the signed correspondence about this too!!!! Issued by our old mate Max Pederson.

According to the Board's own words and signed correspondence.....


The last person to work at the site of the explosion, this same person altering the start, middle and end of the install (with over 100 photos withheld from me until the hearing), with all copies of the gas cert missing pressure test results.......and didn't register the cert for this work(even though there is a corresponding cert with the same cert number on the boards now defunct register......you guessed it.....Mr Darnley.....who may be stood next to Mr Jackson in the photo below.....

With the one bogus charge left a bullshit one at that.....

AND I AM UNREASONABLE FOR NOT WEARING THIS AND LOSING MY HOME AND BUSINESS.......REALLY?????


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2015, 10:46:46 PM »
I ask you this.................... how can anyone be sure of a fair go by these people..........perhaps those who face these corrupts could cite my case before going through the motions with these people.

If the credibility and integrity of the process is flawed then you can't reply on it, not until it is fixed, and you can't fix a problem until you address it and own it.

Now don't get me wrong,  I don't want dodgy guys getting away with anything...... Jesus I tried to get it looked at to protect the public....but I also KNOW you can't rely on them for a fair hearing.......and I definitely don't want to see anyone who is innocent go through this, like what they put my family through.

So if your innocent, only if your innocent......mention my case, and say you can't rely on a fair and unbiased hearing.

Instead of using past presidents on probabilities and using child sexual abuse case notes just like the Board did with me.....use my case as a president to prove the lack of integrity.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2015, 05:34:17 PM »
And here a reply from the Ombudsman.......Fairness for all......except if your a plumber......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2015, 06:13:00 PM »
There is a lot of discretion being used...I mean the Board used their discretion in ignoring evidence and setting me up and the investigator used his discretion in ignoring how well he knew Darnley.

Just needs publicity, because these people wouldn't do this if Joe public knew, like I said be gone by lunch time....what have I got to do to get a fair go?

Anyone know a good lawyer who would work pro bono?


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2015, 09:50:05 PM »
How can some one face a charge then have it disappear, in Mr Pederson's own words, see attached.


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