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Offline gordyplum

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cpd points
« on: July 17, 2012, 09:12:46 PM »
Here we go guys, 2 notices appeared on the notice board at work recently, both offering training. This is provided by Master plumbers. the 2 in question are solar heating and understanding[!] the new gas regs. Each course is worth 16or18 points. Each course is about 6 hours. Sounds good so far, turn the page though and discover that the points are $30 each[ +GST] 15 if you are a masterplumbers member. How much is our new licence next year now?!!! It was only a matter of time before those involved discovered a new revenue stream to keep their drinks cabinets full!!






















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Re: cpd points
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2012, 09:01:38 AM »
hi guys/Gordy, get the boss to pay you an extra $5.00 an hr for your new found knowledge and you have it covered,it`s worth a crack,cheers

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Re: cpd points
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2012, 11:06:22 AM »
Saw this coming a mile away back when they introduced it for Gasfitting. ''They have created an industry, within an industry.'' is what I use to say to guys.

''Dollars for points scam'' is another phrase I also like that I recently heard. Most plumbers I know dont walk around with their eyes and ears shut to new things....why should we pay $30 a point for the opportunity to continue to learn. What next? Tool inspections?? Master Plumbers decide if our personal tools meet their new tool practicality based standard??

Imagine this scenario,

Im sorry Rodza1, this screw driver is a little worn and is not the MP screw driver of choice.(They will already have their own MP compliant tool companies set up by this stage and only their tools can be used on jobs etc) You are not competent to practice plumbing anymore until you purchase the required complying items referenced on our inspection sheet.
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Re: cpd points
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2012, 01:51:13 PM »
hi guys, don`t laugh it may happen,cheers

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Re: cpd points
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2012, 02:11:56 PM »
I'm no fan of the CBL (Competency Based Licensing) System, but I am a fan of continual upskilling.  Upskilling that is necessary to the job and the company you work for - this would then be a cost to the business, whereas competency based licensing is a cost to the individual.  Master Plumbers did not invent this system.  Let's focus on who created it - the PGDB created it without any back up system what so ever to deliver.  This left a void in the marketplace - and so Master Plumbers filled that void for its members, at the request of its members.  On that basis, why would they deliver it at a cost for non members that is the same as for members?  That would be crazy.  Master Plumbers members have always had to upskill under their code of conduct - you agree to it when you join, now it is more formal as "points" are awarded.  The system is not perfect - far from it.  I agree that there should be courses that are "necessary to" as under Section 32 - but they aren't ever going to be free unless suppliers fund the cost of them - and why would they do this unless there is a benefit to them.

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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2012, 04:04:22 PM »
hi guys/Jax, you know that when cbl was dreamed up, the board was stacked with Master Plumbers, they could have stopped it but saw an opening for their organisation,cheers

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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2012, 06:27:21 PM »
You do have a point there Robbo, and perhaps is why the NZ LAW COMMISSION says it is not a good idea and that industry Boards should be free of industry interest groups, because of perceived impartiality......I have witnessed this first hand and they are not impartial.

I really believe that the majority of Master Plumbers are just like the rest of us, actually I know they are because I have met them and am one. But there are a small crew of self serving incidious people that are present.

I was actually told by one very high ranking member, that if I ever made a mistake, he would see that I was rail roaded, he said this before the explosion and boy did they follow through on that.....
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Re: cpd points
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2012, 09:03:29 PM »
I dont agree with the concept of forced upskilling ,we continually are otherwise we would still be putting in lead waste pipes , every day is an upskill day, I had an issue this week with a water boiler I hadnt come across , rang the manufacturer , they emailed me the specs went through it sorted problem ordered parts, , I didnt bill the client for 1 hour of the time as I called it an upskill , no bloody  points though,This is common and becoming more so with the amount of equipment out there , '
I have been to a so called flue gas anyliser course 3 hrs and probably $100.00 or more  , the guy spent all the time talking about stuff we already knew , we didnt see an anyliser let alone get shown how they worked and how to use them , I bought a testo anyliser $2500.00 went on to youtube and watched a technician explaining it, setting up a boiler,  learnt more from that in 15 minutes than at a so called approved course , the internet has anything you will ever need to know , .

When was the last time the PGDB identified a need to run a course from a common issue , the only one I can remember is the IPI gas system that was years ago , I am sure there are some common problems showing up , but why are they not identified ? and where is their leadership .

Take a look at the cowboy plumber site , there is a master plumber on there who needs some serious upskilling , unbelievably he is an ex president of MP . 

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Re: cpd points
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2012, 08:15:51 PM »
Hi, the solar course in question was offered 6 months previously[approx] ,by the same people,before master plumbers claimed it, for free! Are there any on line things sorted yet? We still get most of our points frm kindly suppliers, but only because i work at a large company. My problem with the whole scam, oops sorry scheme, has allways been how i would fare if i lived where may olds live. [Middle of nowhere!].        drive to nearest big city? Pay someone else for my days work? Catch up on a precious sunday? Lose custom as i cant be there? Or just  ignore the whole bullshit!!!!!

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Re: cpd points
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2012, 06:13:58 PM »


Take a look at the cowboy plumber site , there is a master plumber on there who needs some serious upskilling , unbelievably he is an ex president of MP .

I agree with continual upskilling, but I'll be f****ed if I'm going to pay a cent for it... I'll go to any course that's free, and relates to our industry. Otherwise all of my upskilling is self directed. Example - I'm installing an 18 litre LPG Rheem integrity in a few days, 27 years in this industry, never an integrity, hundreds of Rinnai and bosch instanantaneous units, but never an integrity. Last night I 'upskilled', got all the installation and commissioning data. Studied it. Know it now. I didn't pay anyone for it either, cost nothing more than some time, I don't need that useless rain of bastards on the terrace to tell me what I need to learn.
I've FORGOTTEN more about plumbing and gas than their entire collective knowledge put together.

Now that's off my chest, I've opened my 2nd steinie, where's this 'cowboy plumber' site?



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Re: cpd points
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2012, 06:45:24 PM »
yeah it does feel good to download now and then  cheers , enjoy your steiny

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Re: cpd points
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2012, 10:45:19 PM »
it is cathartic and beneficial to vent......how about at the Road show that the Board are organising....I feel like Mt Tongarero mate....

Dates below and venue.....might see you at one fellas....

The Board will soon host a series of public meetings around NZ

Later this month the Board will commence public consultation on its comprehensive fees review. Information will be sent to all licensed tradespeople by post and will be made available online.

From 4 September to 3 October, the Board will host a series of public meetings around New Zealand. We encourage tradespeople to come along and express their views on the review.

 

SCHEDULE OF MEETINGS

4 September, 6pm
Invercargill
Ascot Park Corner Tay Street and Racecourse Road

5 September, 5.30pm
Christchurch
Chateau on the Park, Corner Deans Avenue and Kilmarnock Street

11 September, 5.30pm
Auckland, North Shore
North Shore Events Centre (Kings Hall), Wairau Valley

12 September, 5.30pm
Auckland, Manukau
Jet Inn (Totara Room), Manukau

18 September, 5.30pm
Dunedin
Scenic Hotel Southern Cross (Cargill Room), Corner Princes Street and High Street

19 September, 5.30pm
Nelson
Trailways Hotel (Matai Room), 66 Trafalgar Street

25 September, 5.30pm
Wellington
Johnsonville Club, Argus Place

26 September, 5.30pm
Palmerston North
Kingsgate Hotel, 110 Fitzherbert Avenue

2 October, 5.30pm
Hamilton
Ibis Hotel, 18 Alma Street

3 October, 5.30pm
Tauranga
Smart Business Centre, 65 Chapel Street

 

From the Board today

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Re: cpd points
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2012, 10:08:06 AM »
Which one are you going to hit up Badger??

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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2012, 11:10:23 AM »
All of them, if I could mate. I think we should find a center that the most of us can get to...and I'll go to that one, any ideas mate, inbox me, don't want them to know which...

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Re: cpd points
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2012, 10:11:53 AM »
can anybody please help me understand how in the interest of pubic safety the purchasing of last years brownie points is going to help the customers be safe from work i have already undertaken
just wondering..............perhaps a refund to them is required 


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