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Offline robbo

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Re: cpd points
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2012, 12:56:51 PM »
hi guys/craftsman, don`t try to work it out the whole thing is a scam to put our hard earned into their pockets,cheers

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Re: cpd points
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2012, 10:17:21 PM »
yep, robbo thats it, catch up

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Re: cpd points
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2012, 06:14:42 PM »
Perhaps the Board need some upskilling in providing the right books and exam delivery.......a right cock up apparently at the exams, in Wellington any way, its hard enough doing exams with out the added stress of incompetence of the delivery of the literature(and apparently someone was allowed to leave to use the phone)....but if the Board make a mistake, its human error and excusable, but if we make an honest mistake.....well, even if we don't do anything wrong they will fit you up anyway.
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Re: cpd points
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2012, 06:24:15 PM »
Hi, does anyone out there understand their cpd balance on the boards website? It seems i have 110 points, next year i need 32[although 4x9 dosent equal 32!] which leaves me a balance of,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, yes you got it right 20!!!!!W.T.F?

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Re: cpd points
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2012, 06:48:07 PM »
hi gordy, maybe you could through a few my way....  :D,

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Re: cpd points
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2012, 08:18:43 PM »
I was offering the boys at work  ;D but sadly ,it seems the board have more need of them than me.  The thing is that most of the points have been paid for, exams, site safe, first aid etc all cost, so as they have been bought and paid for, then they belong to me, not the board. So what gives them the idea that they can [discount/ ignore, steal] them.Please insert whichever word you feel appropriate! >:(

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Re: cpd points
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2012, 10:39:58 PM »
the whole things a joke - been meaning to ask this question -


If i am undertaking related nzqa unit standards where 1 credit equals 10 hours study/course time - this must mean conversely that 1 nzqa unit standard credit = 10 cpd points as 1 cpd is the equivalent of 1 hr study/course time



and IMHO surplus points should roll over - not that we should have to be putting up with this shiite anyhow

my advice to anyone is to only undertake upskill/cpd courses that are nzqa unit standard accredited - that way you WILL ACTUALLY get some benefit from it - aint no way i'm wasting my time with vented traps and valve assemblies...

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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2012, 07:34:20 AM »
If you were allowed to accumulate CPD (as you say mate all bought and paid for)....then the training providers would loose an opportunity to carry out a business transaction.... an opportunity refreshed/reset every 12 months, it gets wiped clean and you start again, a whole new money spinner every 12 months.

Perhaps after 12 months our memories expire and we forget all that we have learned :o

People who are also members of one of the biggest training providers/profiteers are over represented on the Board....the same Board that makes us retrain every 12 months .......hmmmm funny that.

This group helps/assists to force CPD on an industry and polices it.........then runs a business profiting from it and it is used as an incentive to join their cabal...........perhaps that's why the NZ Law Commission says that industry Boards should be free of industry groups, but it is ignored by the Minister

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Re: cpd points
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2012, 12:56:49 PM »
I need 48 points a year to re-license as a plumber,gasfitter and drainlayer ???   Are you f****in serious???

After I paid $5k for plumbing gas apprenticeship,$2k for drainlaying apprenticeship, $1221 for x3 first time rego fee with $50 certificate included,x3 $300 rego exams,x2 $300 plumber and gas certifier exams fees, $816 for first time rego as cert plumber and gasfitter. All this before tools,expenses, and above all license fees and CPD...... I feel so let down by those that control this country and industry. Ive worked so hard to get my qualifications...just to be roadblocked by fat cats seeking more of what little I have  ($$$).

  $1440 a year for CPD for 3 licenses, plus annual license fees of $571.66....$2011.66 per year to be able to go to work is not worth the hassle,thats me personally. Its just not worth it. I think I will go study something business orientated extra murally and keep my current job, and no longer bother to relicense. I thought we needed 24 points per year as a holder of three licenses,what a shock to see it double...

OMFG I cannot believe this....what has NZ come to?? This is way beyond reasonable........I may as well keep the job I have that currently pays me $1 less per hour to not be a plumber/gasfitter or drainlayer and not bother with any licenses or CPD or any of their bullshit. The destruction of our trade is complete.

At a cost of $30 per point as a non master plumber member?? I can see whats going on...$15 per point as a master plumber member. They are trying to force people through financial means into joining master plumbers through value for money so they continue to dominate the industry and the board and the PGDF as the sole leading majority voice of a crumbling industry they control as theirs.
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Re: cpd points
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2012, 01:09:14 PM »
From the boards website 18/11/2012

How many points do I need by 31 March 2013?
The following table shows the number of CPD points that are required by tradespeople to relicense by 31 March 2013:

NUMBER OF LICENCES HELD/   TOTAL NUMBER OF POINTS REQUIRED/   SELF-DIRECTED LEARNING

    One                                                 24                                            A maximum of 3 points may be from self-directed learning

    Two                                                 40(at least 9 points per trade)  A maximum of 5 points may be from self-directed learning
 
    Three                                               48(at least 9 points per trade)  A maximum of 6 points may be from self-directed learning
                 



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Re: cpd points
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2012, 02:29:54 PM »
And the more people who leave the trades (forced out by bullshit and bullies)..... leave these people the lion share of the work....which I am sure they will be happy to do and charge a premium for it, imagine what you can charge if your the only ones with licences and you run the Board too.....people think they are paying a lot now for some plumbing work, wait and see........

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Re: cpd points
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2012, 02:49:27 PM »
From the boards website 18/11/2012

How many points do I need by 31 March 2013?
The following table shows the number of CPD points that are required by tradespeople to relicense by 31 March 2013:

NUMBER OF LICENCES HELD/   TOTAL NUMBER OF POINTS REQUIRED/   SELF-DIRECTED LEARNING

    One                                                 24                                            A maximum of 3 points may be from self-directed learning

    Two                                                 40(at least 9 points per trade)  A maximum of 5 points may be from self-directed learning
 
    Three                                               48(at least 9 points per trade)  A maximum of 6 points may be from self-directed learning
                 


thats for two years rodza - due to the fact we didnt require anything for last license yr - its back dated!!

it will be half of what you see there per year there after next license year - ie 12cpd points for 1 trade, 20 for 2, 24 for 3



still a crock of absolute arse though - no other trades require this - and i still trying work out where the mandate for this is?!?!?



where are all the stats showing the deaths and injury/illness that our trades are causing for this to be implemented?!!?



would also like to see all other trades and professions that have the potential to cause death + illness/injury listed as a speadsheet showing license cost per annum, cpd points required per annum, cost of cpd points per annum, cost of initial training and exam/registration!!!!!!!!!!

^^^I think that would make for some interesting reading^^^

I would assume we would have the highest associated trade costs except maybe for doctors



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Re: cpd points
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2012, 03:14:56 PM »
So they were pulled up on implementing cpd without proper industry consultation and all that s**t.... so all thats happened  between then and now is they have doubled our points for the next licensing year to make up for this year while they lobby govt to get there way...so they get away with it all....again.

Great....just great...glad its not permanent for 48 points per year, but fark me, its still not going to make me want to pick up a crescent any time soon.

Its funny how I can re-build the brakes in my 39 year old holden, which in getting it wrong could kill me or worse yet, randoms and I dont have to hold a license. But I cant do up or undo a 15mm crox nut because according to the board its not a matter of if I kill someone from my own neglegence but when.....

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« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2012, 03:39:25 PM »
''Its a sad day when it becomes a reality that the career I chose, becomes no longer financially viable to go to work in it anymore.......that day is close''


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Re: cpd points
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2012, 04:14:06 PM »
yup



sadly your right on all counts rodza

if they dont let me use my trade related unit standard credits i'll be with ya - not relicensing

I am not wasting my time with their bull shiite supplier marketing leverage courses that leave you with absolutely nothing at the end of them - feking joke

really cant get over how many just put up with it all - just put your charge out rates up man...


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