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Fellow Practitioners Update / Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 366 Dated 15 February 2019
« Last post by Watchdog on February 20, 2019, 06:49:26 AM »
Do you believe it?  I've gone nearly two years without any consultation from the Skills Organisation and in the last week I have received three emails with their propaganda trying to make the Governments consultation and proposals look bad. It looks like skills expect us to trust and support them. I say let their empire crumble as they have done nothing for us.
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Fellow Practitioners Update / Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Last post by Badger on February 17, 2019, 07:04:01 PM »

So after 2 years of persecution, after terrorising my wife with child sexual abuse case notes, sending untrue letters telling all sites where charges were laid I was issuing illegal certs in the North Island ( the most damaging sent to my local high school)....apparently I was issuing these dodgy certs in places I have never been to.....these untrue letters were rescinded after 18 months because they could have been "better written", I also had 50% of my charges altered to better fit just two weeks out of the hearing....

BUT I STILL..... disproved 42 out of 44 charges.......just for the dodgy bastards to close down the hearing before I went 100% innocent (see below for the closing minutes)...

The PGDB, NOT HAPPY WITH ME EXPLAINING AWAY THE CHARGES....WELL THE PGDB after all this then went in my local paper and slated me for not knowing what I was doing and said I lacked respect for my trade because I had said I was a "mere plumber".....but they can't show me where I said I was a mere plumber.....

NO ONE to this day has been held accountable for the explosion, ignoring a massive amount of evidence.......the 44 charges they tried to pin on me......ignored 9 people of interest......basically if they couldn't get me for them then they didn't want to get anyone.......

They later told an elderly couple to shut their window when using their califont.....after they actually complained about fumes entering their home.....their califont was installed under a carport and lacked any cross air circulation.....mine had a total empty wall with no containment.....and the people who lived there said there was no problem with fumes.



The PGDB ACCEPTED an incomplete cert for gas work at the site of the explosion one year after I left my old bosses firm......they told the lawyer for the guy laying in a burns unit caused by the explosion......that they had never seen it........but there is a copy on their electronic register.....with an entry date....what was this cert missing......a record of a test for leaks....that later blew up....

According to the PGDB I lack respect for the trade?.......no no no PGDB it is you that lack respect for anything decent.....aswell as an MP who stands by and does nothing.....honorable lol.


But it is my family who must suffer???? I warned this would happen for 6 years before the explosion.....and that is why they set me up. I am about ready to kick to be honest.







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Fellow Practitioners Update / Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Last post by Badger on February 16, 2019, 11:20:20 PM »
After my family was terrorised for 2 years of persecution, lies and untrue letters sent to my customers.....after totally dismissing 42 charges  out of 44 at a biased kangaroo court.....this is how my last charge was dealt with........this was days before Bickers (a twat) went in my local paper and quoted me as saying "I am just a mere plumber".....but couldn't show me where I said it......


The Final Minutes
14. 152 The final three minutes of the hearing held against Mr. Gee were probably the most
telling that appear to have been ignored. Mr. Hammond the Investigator under
Cross Examination by Mr. Gordon regarding Malvern Avenue. Here is the copy from
the transcript:
Q. That's fine. Now, the second thing I have just to clarify and you're talking about Part 1
and Part 2 of the Act. Now Part 1 is what must be done, what you must comply with?
Page 131 of 137
A. Part 1 is the mandatory requirement.
Q. Mandatory requirement, yes, and Part 2 is a way of compliance?
A. That's correct.
Q. Now, the reason I was asking about that, because on page 35 of the edition I have here,
1.5.7, it meanings about flue terminals and in the second paragraph of that section it
reads: "Flue terminals shall be located to minimise entry of combustion products into
any building and to minimise the effects of adverse draft on the performance of the gas
appliances". So in reading that, if there's no gas entering into a building, then it
complies with Part 1?
A. Yes, the aim of that is to make sure that gas does not enter into the building.
Q. So that's the aim of it, so if there is no gas, say in this case we've got two situations
where people are saying there's no gas entering, then according to that paragraph then
it complies with Part 1 of the Act?
A. No, I don't rely on consumers whether the gas was entering or not, it is the gas fitter's
job to locate it in such a way that gas does not enter the building.
Q. But that's what it's saying here though isn't it, it's saying that if the flues aren't entering
the building then it complies with Part 1?

A. Yes, but -
Q. And if the customers are saying fumes aren't entering the building then it's compliant
with Part 1?
A. But in order to ensure that under all conditions products of combustion do not enter into
the premises, then one way of complying is to ensure that the clearances are in
accordance with Part 2. If you are putting in an appliance with clearances other than
those in Part 2, then you need to demonstrate how the - how you have ensured that
under all conditions the products of combustion can't enter the property.
Q. That doesn't say "in all conditions" there. Does it say in here "all conditions"?
A. No it doesn't say all conditions, but that's surely a general inference from the
requirements of the standard to meet all conditions.
Q. Well an inference is fine, but as per it says here the - that's located to minimise entry of
combustion products and to minimise the effects of adverse draft et cetera. So those - if
there's no fumes entering those two locations that we've been talking about, then
they're actually compliant with the mandatory part of the NZS 5261?
A. I don't have any knowledge of whether products of combustion are in fact entering or
not. I have not carried out any tests to demonstrate. I am unaware of any tests that
have been carried out to demonstrate that.
MR PARKER:
Well I think we have reached the point where we are having submissions, so I think we can
adjourn now.
Page 132 of 137
MR BICKERS
Q. Mr. Hammond, I'm sorry I'm just thinking about what Mr. Gordon had put, under what
circumstances does 1.5.7 take precedence over 1.6.2? And 1.6.2 which is the
manufacturer's instructions, which in turn is table 16, so what would be necessary to say
that you've complied with 1.5.7 and you can override 1.6.2?
A. If the manufacturer had carried out some tests and designed a particular appliance in a
particular fashion that he felt that it could be put closer to some other part of the
building or whatever, then presumably he would provide that information to the
gasfitters so they could see that it was appropriate to do so other than was specified in
the means of complying.
MS INESON
Q. Supplementary on that, so does that mean on page 101, is that the point of number 6?
A. Sorry?
Q. In page 101 is that the point of note 6 at the bottom of the page?
A. Yes, that note is there specifically for.
Q. To describe what you've just described?
A. Yeah.
(Witness excused)
14. 153 As can be seen the Investigator didn’t have any knowledge of whether products of
combustion were in fact entering the building or not. He had not carried out any
tests to demonstrate they were. He was unaware of any tests that had been carried
out to demonstrate that. His job was to prove the offence and part of that offence
was non compliance but yet he just admitted he didn’t know if the installation was
complaint or not.
14. 154 It is quite disturbing that the hearing was abruptly cut short at this stage by the
Presiding Member Mr. Parker.
14. 155 Note 6 that Ms Ineson referred to stated:
(6) Some gas appliances may be suitable for closer installation, refer to
manufacturer’s instructions.
14. 156 British Standards state 300mm based on the manufactures instructions but they
were not referred to in the hearing. Needless to say the installation was safe and
had been demonstrated by Mr. Gee to be safe. The Investigator did not prove that
it was unsafe. Mr. Gee was found guilty of installing the unit closer that 1500mm
based on the manufactures instructions which were based on the NZS 5261:2003.
Page 133 of 137
14. 157 It must be remembered that the Legal advisor stated the Burdon of proof is on the
investigator and Mr. Gee doesn’t need to prove anything.
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Fellow Practitioners Update / Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Last post by Badger on February 16, 2019, 02:36:30 PM »


So who does our minister Jenny Salesa side with? It is her portfolio......

"Who do you side with, who do you all side with?……corrupt self serving cowards or a well meaning man who put others safety first and tried to warn about all this for 6 years before being shafted and set up for what he was trying to prevent."


SIX YEARS I WARNED ABOUT DODGY CERTS COVERING ALTERED DANGEROUS GAS WORK.....

THEN WE HAD AN EXPLOSION......


SO THE PGDB APPOINT TO INVESTIGATE THAT EXPLOSION......THE SAME PERSON WHO GIFTED MY OLD BOSS ( WHO MOST IF NOT ALL THE EVIDENCE POINTS TO )......HIS FULL CERTIFYING GAS FITTING LICENSE WITH NO APPRENTICESHIP SAT AFTER ONE ORAL EXAM.....AS (AND THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE )......THE IMPARTIAL INVESTIGATOR.....HAHAHAHAH WHAT A JOKE.


ALL DONE IN THE FACE OF ALL THESE FACTS, PROVIDED AND PRESENTED TO THE PGDB AT A "IMPARTIALITY" HEARING , HELD JUST BEFORE THE KANGAROO COURT........WHERE THE INVESTIGATOR'S MATE CLOSED DOWN THE KANGAROO COURT JUST BEFORE i WENT 100% INNOCENT......TOSSER.


BASICALLY ARE YOU HAPPY WITH CORRUPTION OR ARE YOU GLAD THERE IS CORRUPTION.....THERE IS NO " FENCE SITTING "......







________________________________________
From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2019 11:01 a.m.
To: 'jenny.salesa@parliament.govt.nz'
Cc: 'Rt. Hon Jacinda Ardern'; 'chris.hipkins@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Wal Gordon'
Subject: Action

Hi Jenny,

Please can you let me know what action you are going to take with the corrupt way my family were terrorised? Please see what happened and a report of the kangaroo court attached.

 As you know the Prime Minister has passed this to you, please see attached.

Please know that your action/inaction is done in front of the industry, I have posted a lot of information on a Plumbers forum, it can be found on this link-

https://www.plumbers.co.nz/forum/fellow-practitioners-update/41/fellow-practitioner-issue-236-dated-12-december-2014/1810/msg11348;topicseen

It has near 84 thousands “reads”.

I see the ITO is being overhauled….. good on the Labour Party for doing so, it is a start….the shocking state of affairs the trades are in needs addressing, but if the head is rotten it is futile…. as it will soon revert back to where we are now if the pigs aren’t removed from the trough. Apparently even recently going on international junkets to promote trade training in Mandarin….they can’t get it right in plain English…it is embarrassing.

The PGDB have been sacked before, you have this power.

The problem is when they were sacked the people chosen to replace them, came from the same mindset. I equate it to a flock of geese, flying it the same direction, just the lead few changed…..the main body of the flock still fly in the same direction with the same agenda. When the front few were dismissed…..their cronies stepped in and the mess continued on the predetermined path of greed and power. Nothing was fixed…..the results are what we are left with today.

We need people like Wal Gordon on the PGDB. I will let his record speak for itself. Have a look and point out to me where he was wrong. I can not find one instance.

Who do you side with, who do you all side with?……corrupt self serving cowards or a well meaning man who put others safety first and tried to warn about all this for 6 years before being shafted and set up for what he was trying to prevent.

I look forward to your reply.

Yours with Integrity
Paul Gee




From: Rt. Hon Jacinda Ardern [mailto:Jacinda.Ardern@parliament.govt.nz]
Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2019 11:02 a.m.
To: Paul & Emma Gee
Subject: Automatic reply: Action

Kia ora,
 
Thanks very much for taking the time to get in touch with Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.
We appreciate your email. Because of the large number of emails we receive each day, you may not receive a response immediately.
While you are waiting for a reply, here's a list of links that may help you find what you’re looking for:
Beehive website
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Full list of Ministers
 
We hope one of the above links helps answer your question! In any case, we'll get back to you as soon as possible.
Thanks again.
Authorised by Jacinda Ardern MP, Parliament Buildings, Wellington
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Fellow Practitioners Update / Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 366 Dated 15 February 2019
« Last post by Watchdog on February 15, 2019, 08:13:52 AM »
I heard the interview on the radio and Skills painted a picture of them being so good for the industry and they did say "Ask the industry". Well I say they are doing a shit job and they don't communicate with the broad range of the industry.   They seem to just ask the people that support their misguided ways.
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Fellow Practitioners Update / Fellow Practitioner Issue 366 Dated 15 February 2019
« Last post by Wal on February 15, 2019, 06:47:06 AM »
This week the Government announced proposed changes to reform vocational education. This has a huge impact on the industry and all sorts of claims have been made this week by organisations.

As an industry we need to be wary of those protecting their patch and look at what has been provided to us and see if it matches the claims made.  Decisions need to be made about what is best for the industry, long term, not individual organisations. 
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Fellow Practitioners Update / Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Last post by Badger on February 11, 2019, 07:10:50 PM »
________________________________________
From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, 11 February 2019 7:07 p.m.
To: 'J Ardern (MIN)'
Cc: 'jenny.salesa@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Wal Gordon'
Subject: RE: Paul Gee


Hi Dinah,

Thank you for taking the time to respond, I have contacted Jenny Salesa many, many times before and nothing has been done.

I need to clear my name; I am at the end of my tether. I still work away from home and out of my chosen trade….for what?......for corrupt individuals who think more of their cronies and their reputations than the safety of the NZ public, the public’s safety who they have been entrusted with. It is so very wrong.

You must ask yourselves……Are you happy with this sort of cover up, the dodgy dealings and corrupt  victimisation and awful treatment of an innocent person and his family…. all done at a risk to the safety of NZ people in their homes? Please tell me what relevance child sexual abuse case notes have in a plumbing context…….my wife opened these, just before we lost our home……is this ok by you?


There is one thing you can easily do and that is put Wal Gordon on the PGDB, I think he has put in an application for the available position on the Board, a Board that could do with a large dose of integrity, Wal is definitely your man for this.


Paul Gee

________________________________________
From: Arna Thornton [mailto:Arna.Thornton@parliament.govt.nz] On Behalf Of J Ardern (MIN)
Sent: Monday, 11 February 2019 3:58 p.m.
To: gspservices@xtra.co.nz
Subject: RE: Paul Gee



Dear Paul Gee

I am writing on behalf of the Prime Minister, Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern, to acknowledge your email of 31 January 2019 concerning your request for assistance. Please be assured your comments have been noted.

As the issue you have raised falls within the portfolio responsibilities of the Minister for Building and Construction, Hon Jenny Salesa, your email has been forwarded to the Minister's office for consideration.

Thank you for writing to Jacinda.


Dinah Okeby
Office of the Prime Minister



 
 
From: Sophie Slater
Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2019 11:19 AM
To: Stephen Tat <Stephen.Tat@parliament.govt.nz>; Dinah Okeby <dinah.okeby@parliament.govt.nz>
Subject: RE: Paul Gee
 
 
From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2019 7:28 AM
To: Rt. Hon Jacinda Ardern <Jacinda.Ardern@parliament.govt.nz>
Cc: wal.gordon <wal.gordon@xtra.co.nz>; 'Registrar' <Registrar@pgdb.co.nz>; complaints@pgdb.co.nz; comms@pgdb.co.nz
Subject: Paul Gee
 
 
 
Dear Prime Minister,
 
 
Please can you acknowledge receipt of these documents attached?
 
I just want my life back; I am forced to work away from my family and only ask to clear my name.
 
The home that we were forced to live in was un-sellable due to the state of disrepair (I have worked very hard to rectify this), I have been forced to work away since the kangaroo court I was subjected to. I have now managed to get work nearer to home but am away for the working week only returning home for the weekends, I have missed so much of my son’s childhoods that it makes me feel guilty I could not be there for them more.
 
My wife was terrorised by spineless bullies. I will address this, if you will not.
 
All I ask is for one simple answer……do you think we deserved to be treated like this? 9 people of interest ignored, while an innocent man is persecuted and my wife sent child sexual abuse case notes in a plumbing context, just before she lost her home….really? You asked Obama how to deal with guilt….just don’t do anything that feels wrong, it is that simple.
 
 
 
I have copied in Wal Gordon, my advocate and the PGDB. Wal is one is the most selfless stalwarts of the industry and has been proven right more then wrong (I am still trying to think of a time he has been wrong)….his warnings have gone unheeded …. If people had listened and not let ego and personal agenda get in the way…..NZ would be in a much stronger position with regards to the trades.
 
You need someone like Wal on the Board, I understand there is a position coming up…..if Wal hasn’t applied already, you should ask him to apply.
 
Paul Gee

________________________________________

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Fellow Practitioners Update / Fellow Practitioner Issue 365 Dated 8 February 2019
« Last post by Wal on February 08, 2019, 06:38:53 AM »
This is the Federations year to step it up. Enough of the political game now it is the time for total action by practitioners.

It seems to be that the powers to be are searching for a magic wand, unicorns and stardust and they just don’t get what is needed by the industry.  Practitioners know there is no quick fix and they need to let the Minister know that and stop others from controlling our direction and wasting industry resources.

The current situation has been decades in the making and only practitioners pushing for accountability and original ideas will sort the situation out.

If you agree with what you have read then get involved either nationally or locally. This is a “take no prisoners” year for the Federation so we are seeking people to join our executive committee.
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Fellow Practitioners Update / Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Last post by Badger on January 31, 2019, 08:11:39 AM »



You can be reasonably sure that the Prime Minister has these documents and does nothing......how safe do you feel while running your business? You'll be left alone while you are in need......but what about after when the work dries up and the cronies use this tool of corruption to take out the opposition.....make as much hay as you can under this sun.....so you can fund a legal battle.....but when the playing field is uphill and the ref only applies the rule book to you, and if they loose they take their ball home and tell untruths about you....all the money in the world will not save you.....

They will empty your bank accounts and then ignore you......I know this, this is not an opinion.


I was the Nelson Master Plumber President......don't think connections will protect you......if it suits the cowards to go you, they will......spineless cowards hiding in the shadows.
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Fellow Practitioners Update / Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Last post by Badger on January 31, 2019, 07:42:19 AM »
From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2019 7:28 a.m.
To: 'Rt. Hon Jacinda Ardern'
Cc: 'Wal Gordon'; 'Registrar'; 'complaints@pgdb.co.nz'; 'comms@pgdb.co.nz'
Subject: Paul Gee



Dear Prime Minister,


Please can you acknowledge receipt of these documents attached?

I just want my life back; I am forced to work away from my family and only ask to clear my name.

The home that we were forced to live in was un-sellable due to the state of disrepair (I have worked very hard to rectify this), I have been forced to work away since the kangaroo court I was subjected to. I have now managed to get work nearer to home but am away for the working week only returning home for the weekends, I have missed so much of my son’s childhoods that it makes me feel guilty I could not be there for them more.

My wife was terrorised by spineless bullies. I will address this, if you will not.

All I ask is for one simple answer……do you think we deserved to be treated like this? 9 people of interest ignored, while an innocent man is persecuted and my wife sent child sexual abuse case notes in a plumbing context, just before she lost her home….really?   You asked Obama how to deal with guilt….just don’t do anything that feels wrong, it is that simple.



I have copied in Wal Gordon, my advocate and the PGDB. Wal is one is the most selfless stalwarts of the industry and has been proven right more then wrong (I am still trying to think of a time he has been wrong)….his warnings have gone unheeded …. If people had listened and not let ego and personal agenda get in the way…..NZ would be in a much stronger position with regards to the trades.

You need someone like Wal on the Board, I understand there is a position coming up…..if Wal hasn’t applied already, you should ask him to apply.

Paul Gee




From: Rt. Hon Jacinda Ardern [mailto:Jacinda.Ardern@parliament.govt.nz]
Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2019 7:29 a.m.
To: Paul & Emma Gee
Subject: Automatic reply: Paul Gee

Kia ora,
 
Thanks very much for taking the time to get in touch with Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.
We appreciate your email. Because of the large number of emails we receive each day, you may not receive a response immediately.
While you are waiting for a reply, here's a list of links that may help you find what you’re looking for:




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