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Plumbing / Re: Health & Safety
« Last post by robbo on May 12, 2018, 02:39:36 PM »
(Safety is an indispensable thing for the plumbers or construction workers as well as health. In order to provide better service to their customers) it always was and now a source of income for swags of ticket clippers who are only in danger of `paper cuts`
cheers
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Fellow Practitioners Update / Fellow Practitioner Issue 356 Dated 11 May 2018
« Last post by Wal on May 11, 2018, 06:39:38 AM »
Are you sick of the same fights over and over again? Sick of time and money wasted dealing with non responsive bureaucrats? Well the Federation is and is doing something about it. Take the opportunity to have your say.
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Plumbing / Re: Health & Safety
« Last post by plumbingheatingcooling on May 01, 2018, 07:11:16 PM »
Safety is an indispensable thing for the plumbers or construction workers as well as health. In order to provide better service to their customers.
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I attached the report and the history and the Ombudsman letter....Office for Fairness for All.....as long as it is convenient and no cronies get into trouble.....f**** the innocent and the public.....






______________________________________
From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, 30 April 2018 9:31 p.m.
To: 'info@ombudsman.parliament.nz'; 'martin@pgdb.co.nz'; 'complaints@pgdb.co.nz'; 'comms@pgdb.co.nz'; 'PGDB Competency Based Licensing'; 'ceo@pgdb.co.nz'; 'exams@pgdb.co.nz'; 'gascerts@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Hannah Neville'; 'jayson@pgdb.co.nz'; 'licensing'; 'overseas@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Registrar'; 'accounts@pgdb.co.nz'
Cc: 'jacinda.ardern@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Andrew Little'; 'Julia Minko'; 'jenny.salesa@parliament.govt.nz'; 'phil.twyford@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Wal Gordon'; 'Allan Day'; 'Colleen Upton'; 'lynnmoff'; 'Faculty of Law'; 'Winston Peters'; 'Kaitlin Ruddock'
Subject: RE: PGDB reply to my complaints 2018 03 13



Dear Ombudsman,

Please see attached a report complied by the Plumber’s Federation which shows 9 people of interest ignored by the PGDB and the sham of an investigation I was subjected to.

I want to clarify that, with this information attached; the “Office for Fairness for All” is still of the opinion that I was treated fairly and that these documents show fairness, natural justice and if any moral compass is present at all? If I wasn’t treated fairly…..why do you do nothing?

And Martin while I have your ear, please can you reply to my email below?

Yours with Integrity

Paul Gee


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From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2018 8:01 a.m.
To: 'Paul & Emma Gee'; 'martin@pgdb.co.nz'; 'complaints@pgdb.co.nz'; 'comms@pgdb.co.nz'; 'PGDB Competency Based Licensing'; 'ceo@pgdb.co.nz'; 'exams@pgdb.co.nz'; 'gascerts@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Hannah Neville'; 'jayson@pgdb.co.nz'; 'licensing'; 'overseas@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Registrar'; 'accounts@pgdb.co.nz'
Cc: 'jacinda.ardern@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Andrew Little'; 'Julia Minko'; 'jenny.salesa@parliament.govt.nz'; 'phil.twyford@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Wal Gordon'; 'Allan Day'; 'Colleen Upton'; 'lynnmoff'; 'Faculty of Law'; 'Winston Peters'; 'Kaitlin Ruddock'
Subject: RE: PGDB reply to my complaints 2018 03 13

Martin,

Please can you or Peter Jackson clarify whether my complaint is trivial, frivolous or vexatious? It can not be all three.

It smacks of the PGDB’s willingness to hide behind policy and rolling out yet another policy to cover this up? Just as you are with my other complaints “falling out side” of the general complaints policy. They are still very valid complaints, if you don’t have a policy to cover it, then make one.

I believe to cover up a near fatal explosion, while protecting the guilty, ignoring huge conflicts of interest, all done at the expense of the innocent, whilst telling untruths to the persons lawyer who was injured in that explosion while he lay in a drug induced coma, done to cover up the PGDB’s maladministration of the certificate system and the flippant handing out of full certifying licenses to the unqualified….totally despicable if not corrupt. That’s my policy and it should be everyone else’s policy that is copied in to this email….or you are happy with this? Are you happy with that long winded sentence, I will take your silence as a yes.

I can prove all of the above, and am happy to provide. It is not trivial, frivolous or vexatious to speak the truth to those that choose to ignore it.

It is not trivial to blow someone up, it is very serious. To want this PROPERLY looked into is not frivolous (the PGDB ignoring 9 people of interest at the hearing). It is not vexatious, I believe it is quite important, even imperative to get to the bottom of this, to expose those covering this up is not stirring up trouble for the sake of it…..its called seeking the truth with integrity and accountability.

I believe the PGDB treated this situation as trivial, by ignoring the huge amount of evidence. The PGDB is to be found acting in a frivolous manner toward a very important duty entrusted to them to protect the NZ public and displayed a nature of being vexatious when they pursued me in the local press after I went 42 out of 44 charges at their kangaroo court as an innocent man (the last charge being utter B.S.).



But it appears these three words only apply to us lowly plebs and not the hypocrites that govern us.




Yours with Integrity Paul Gee





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From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2018 5:03 p.m.
To: 'Paul & Emma Gee'; 'martin@pgdb.co.nz'; 'complaints@pgdb.co.nz'; 'comms@pgdb.co.nz'; 'PGDB Competency Based Licensing'; 'ceo@pgdb.co.nz'; 'exams@pgdb.co.nz'; 'gascerts@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Hannah Neville'; 'jayson@pgdb.co.nz'; 'licensing'; 'overseas@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Registrar'; 'accounts@pgdb.co.nz'
Cc: 'jacinda.ardern@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Andrew Little'; 'Julia Minko'; 'jenny.salesa@parliament.govt.nz'; 'phil.twyford@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Wal Gordon'; 'Allan Day'; 'Colleen Upton'; 'lynnmoff'; 'Faculty of Law'; 'Winston Peters'; 'Kaitlin Ruddock'
Subject: PGDB reply to my complaints 2018 03 13

Hi All,

I will let you all decide if my complaints are trivial, frivolous or vexatious as per the letters sent by the PGDB in response to the email below and received by me today….it involves a cover up of a near fatal explosion and the dire state of the gas certificate system and flippant issuing of licenses to people shown preference by the PGDB whilst others more deserving are refused.

I remake these complaints under natural justice or any policy that I need to, to allow you look at this and not cover it up. It is so wrong to cover this up, just plain wrong.

Yours with Integrity Paul Gee

________________________________________
From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2018 1:19 p.m.
To: 'Paul & Emma Gee'; 'martin@pgdb.co.nz'; 'complaints@pgdb.co.nz'; 'comms@pgdb.co.nz'; 'PGDB Competency Based Licensing'; 'ceo@pgdb.co.nz'; 'exams@pgdb.co.nz'; 'gascerts@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Hannah Neville'; 'jayson@pgdb.co.nz'; 'licensing'; 'overseas@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Registrar'; 'accounts@pgdb.co.nz'
Cc: 'jacinda.ardern@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Andrew Little'; 'Julia Minko'; 'jenny.salesa@parliament.govt.nz'; 'phil.twyford@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Wal Gordon'; 'Allan Day'; 'Colleen Upton'; 'Chris Griggs'; 'lynnmoff'; 'Faculty of Law'
Subject: RE: OIA request for Handwriting report

Martin,


Please take my email below as a complaint on the use of one of my warnings to pin the near fatal explosion on me (the outrageous outline is found below in my email please regard ALL questions as a complaint)……


So to recap…..


1.   I complain about the ethics on utilising my warning to try to pin the signature on me for the dodgy certs, that those warnings mentioned.

2.   I complain about the person who caused the fire mentioned below.

3.   I complain that Darnley may have been issuing his own certs.

4.   I complain that the PGDB is protecting Darnley.



I would add to that complaint your inaction to this email below. I am of the opinion after reading your policy, that my complaining about your inaction, removes you Martin from dealing with that complaint and ensures it goes before the Board. Just as the PGDB needed to see the report by the Federation, it needs to deal with these complaints in light of this report.

I have attached the PGDB’s own policy on complaints and the report for your convenience and it is under that policy that I make these complaints.

I also guide you to your most recent available agreement, page 5 attached, with the minister (Nick Smith), are the comments about appeals under “Complaints and Discipline” not to be over turned done at all costs…ignoring natural justice?

The policies and agreements that the PGDB ignore at will, whilst pontificating to the public is sickening.

Was my case too late to meet these policies? Yes it was…..but common decency has always existed, along with ethics and natural justice…..do the PGDB need a rule book to show these aspects fundamental to a well meaning humanity?

Yours with Integrity

Paul Gee

________________________________________
From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, 15 February 2018 8:55 a.m.
To: 'martin@pgdb.co.nz'; 'complaints@pgdb.co.nz'; 'comms@pgdb.co.nz'; 'PGDB Competency Based Licensing'; 'ceo@pgdb.co.nz'; 'exams@pgdb.co.nz'; 'gascerts@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Hannah Neville'; 'jayson@pgdb.co.nz'; 'licensing'; 'overseas@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Registrar'; 'accounts@pgdb.co.nz'
Cc: 'jacinda.ardern@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Andrew Little'; 'Julia Minko'; 'jenny.salesa@parliament.govt.nz'; 'phil.twyford@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Wal Gordon'; 'Allan Day'; 'Colleen Upton'; 'Chris Griggs'; 'lynnmoff'; 'Faculty of Law'; 'Paul Warhurst'
Subject: FW: OIA request for Handwriting report

Martin,

Thank you for the recent handwriting report, attached…..please can you explain the ethics of the PGDB using one of my warning letters, attached (a letter warning about dodgy certs covering dangerous gas work) which was sent 5 years before an explosion nearly killed someone.

This letter was used by the PGDB as a reference document for a handwriting report (a very directed and focused report only on me only, done well before BOTH mine and Darnley’s hearing)  ….trying to pin that explosion on me. Really? Using my warning to try to implicate me for what I was warning about? Then withholding that report, not divulging it until now, after an OIA request?

Why wasn’t any of Darnley’s handwriting/doc’s reviewed….like the cert for the pizza oven (which the PGDB lost) or the actual job card that shows Darnley’s hand for the addition of the fryers that caused the explosion.


The use of this letter is nearly as bad as relying on child molestation case notes to prove probability in a plumbing context, nearly!



All the evidence is here for those who want to look in the email below and evidence attached.




While I have your ear, I am yet to hear from you about the gas caused fire in Nelson where I asked the question in an email, quoted below, on the 20th Jan 2018.

How many fires caused by a gas leak were there in Nelson on that date? This should narrow it down for you…..if there was no investigation (similar to mine) then why not? It made the Notifiable gas accidents report from Energy Safety attached, emphasis on notifiable. The reference I sent in early December was taken from this report.


I have also just recently found out from someone I trust, that Darnley….who most if not all evidence points to for the Milton Street explosion, and is probably involved in the fire above (please can you confirm)….that the reason he was visited (and as a result gifted his full certifying gas license by Hammond with no apprentice sat after one oral exam, by none other than the same Hammond appointed to investigate the explosion)……well he was making up his own certs….on an exemption license….whilst selling gas….(Hammond also lobbied for deregulation form a gas retailers point of view). Confused? Call me on it….I’ll fly up and walk you through the huge amount of evidence.

So to recap…..

1.   Please explain the ethics on utilising my warning to try to pin the signature on me for the dodgy certs.

2.   Confirm who caused the fire.

3.   Was Darnley issuing his own certs

4.   Why are you protecting this man



I have copied in a few PGDB email addresses as I want this email tabled to the PGDB board at its next meeting. I want the perpetual Board take ownership of this debacle, not sweep it under the carpet.

You talk about trust and integrity you inherit the past and leave a legacy for the future with your present.

Injustice is corrupting if it is accepted....even if it is ignored…… it eats away at integrity, opening the doors to the dismantlers of good, just like rust corrupting the integrity of an otherwise strong steel durable structure.....its no plan for the future. 

This is why we don't use this as a template for ongoing success, history tells us corruption ultimately fails and causes chaos.



Yours With Integrity

Paul Gee


________________________________________
From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 14 February 2018 2:42 p.m.
To: 'Allan Day'
Cc: 'Wal Gordon'; 'Colleen Upton'
Subject: RE: OIA request for Handwriting report

Hi Allan,

I have copied in Wal and Colleen so we can see it all in one place.

The sick minded people behind this used one of my “warning” letters so they could pin the signatures on the certificates on me….I distinctly remember that the investigator (investigator he was not) stated that it was all about the signature……ignoring all the different inks and different handwriting.

This two page letter was one that I sent to warn about my concerns over 5 years before the explosion…..mentioned in reference docs for report, i.e. a two page letter stamped 09 01 04 (stamped by the PGDB)…..the letter being dated 06 01 04, the three days difference for it to be delivered to the PGDB and is the only letter I sent around that time.

This letter submitted by the investigator as a sample of my signature to give to the handwriting expert …..if you look at the letter….my concerns were later shown to be very well founded and actually bang on.   



This report then goes on to raising doubt over my involvement, even saying the signatures were different and could have been copied by a skilled person (all be it doubtful)…..The investigator ignoring Darnley involvement totally (please see break down of my findings in my email to Wal).

Not forgetting this report was withheld and I have only just seen it.



Did I get a fair go?


All the Best

Paul







________________________________________
From: Allan Day [mailto:allan-day@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 16 January 2018 10:50 a.m.
To: Paul & Emma Gee
Subject: Re: OIA request for Handwriting report

Hi Paul
Thank you for including me into your email, please keep me advised as to the response.
I have been reading Wal's report/submission and I can tell you I find it upsetting at the injustice of those involved and the wheels with in wheels as they concealed and covered the truth.
Kind regards
Allan



On 15/01/2018, at 11:21 AM, Paul & Emma Gee <gspservices@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

Martin,
 
Please by way of an OIA request can I get a copy of the report from the forensic document examination and handwriting expert who the PGDB contracted to analyse documents for the investigation into the explosion at Milton Street.
 
It is the report that the PGDB were billed for 12 hours of consultation, examination and the resulting report for. The invoice from the handwriting expert was dated 20 September 2010, but as it was part of the investigation it should have been retained until the hearing which is within the 7 years limit.
 
I would have thought a copy would have been made available to me at the time, but it has never been passed on to me and I have never seen a copy. It is within 7 years to the hearing and I can assure you my request is neither frivolous nor am I being vexatious. I do not think the well worn excuse of it’s “too hard to find” is warranted either.
 
A man nearly died in a preventable explosion due to circumstances I had warned about for 6 years before that explosion. My family were terrorised and my life has been in turmoil since.
 
Please Martin do not continue this cover up. Please clear my name and give me my life back. I have done no wrong but my family has paid a hefty price.
 
Thank you
 
Yours with Integrity
Paul Gee

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And the Office for fairness for all......
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Again....Sorry to hear it happened to my family.....


No one says I am mistaken, no one denies it happened, no one says I am making this up.....but they are all happy to ignore.....
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Ask Plumbers (Public) / Re: Wetback and Gas Combined
« Last post by Enn on April 29, 2018, 07:57:52 PM »
I have a wet back\electric heating a hot water cyl, and a gas water heater  i run gas in the warmer months when the fire is not needed and when the winter arrives i use the fire to heat the cylinder and run of that via a 3 port valve to change from one to the other.
The only down side is the gas runs mains pressure and the hwc is low pressure altho i have restricted the shower so the difference is not too great. could not afford to put in a mains with a coil....
Never thought of using one to pre heat however is does not get that cold here to notice the temp rise much and it is a rinnai 24l gas unit.
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Ask Plumbers (Public) / Re: Wetback and Gas Combined
« Last post by Offgrid on April 26, 2018, 02:59:29 PM »
Thanks for the input, it makes sense that I can. Makes sense to consider solar as a preheat as well. I'll now confidently talk to the local plumbers about what I want to happen! Looks like I can find registered plumbers in the area using this website too- what a great tool.

Have a  great day everybody.

PS Any plumbers in Central North island (Ohakune area) want to give themselves a plug (haha unintended plumbing pun) here & I can contact you to discuss the work?
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Ask Plumbers (Public) / Re: Wetback and Gas Combined
« Last post by Plumber on April 26, 2018, 12:18:41 PM »
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My question is: Is it possible to pre-heat the cylinder with a wetback, instead of the solar? Then off to the gas califont and/or taps. I can't imagine why not, but I can't find an example of anyone doing it online.

Yes you can. Infact you can preheat it with Solar and wetback if you want. Any plumber that specialises in heating or solar should be able to help you setup such a system.

You could have Solar as your fultime preheat, Wetback as your secondary (when you feel like firing it up) and Rinnai as your first backup and the HWC element as your second backup if you run out of gas. Great system when you are in the middle of nowhere.
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Ask Plumbers (Public) / Wetback and Gas Combined
« Last post by Offgrid on April 26, 2018, 09:54:31 AM »
Hi guys,
I've got a wee house just moved into the middle of nowhere in central North Island where it gets coooold in winter. No mains electricty. It's about to be rennovated. Water is to be tank supply from roof.  We intend to have gas hot water (something like the Rinnai Infinity).

The gas heater raises water temp so many degrees at its rated output. I figure if the starting temperature is wamer, then it will be able to hit its rated output better.
That lead me on to thinking about how to get the water temperature warmer. I have a fire that I want to have installed and utilise with its wetback.

The Rinnai installation manual I found online shows a nice digram of a solar system feeding a cylinder, then that heated water goes to a diversion valve where it goes either the taps if hot enough, or via the gas heater then to the taps (with tempering valve).

My question is: Is it possible to pre-heat the cylinder with a wetback, instead of the solar? Then off to the gas califont and/or taps. I can't imagine why not, but I can't find an example of anyone doing it online.

We will of course be getting a plumber in to do all the work, but I'd like to have an opinion as to the feasibility of the system before I go too far.
Thanks
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