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Offline roberto

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Bernzomatic products
« on: July 27, 2012, 09:05:33 PM »
does anyone use these? we use bernzomatic ts8000 torches for welding and brazing hot and cold/gas copper pipes (so much easier than dragging a oxy-acetelene trolly everywhere)

done over 150 joins in the last three days and im still on the same cylinder!!!

they also have solder for copper pipes, but would we be allowed to use it in nz??? not ure if it meets our standards???,

The link is below.....

http://www.bernzomatic.com/products/solder-accessories/plumbing-solder.aspx :P :P :P

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Re: Bernzomatic products
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2012, 10:41:20 PM »
yeah many people use it alot - i have found it is only good for small dia pipe and in open spaces - no good for confined or restricted air supplies

sometimes the oxy/acetylene is necessary and it is much quicker also - the hand pieces are not very robust either and for the cost of them...

Ive been through maybe 4-5 of them over about 15?yrs and that is without constant use - but I still have the same oxy/acetylene rigs i have had for 20+yrs

life cycle costing it probably wouldnt work out cheaper - but they are handy and have their place - for a small reno yeah - but for a whole house, no way...

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Re: Bernzomatic products
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2012, 12:43:16 PM »
I use a Rothenberger superfire 2, it has a nice solid handpiece.Only plastic is the igniter button, Im not a fan of the Superfire 3 though, new design and looks flimsy being mainly plastic. Last employer has one. Rothenbergers cost substantially more than a Bernzomatic though. My one has taken a beating and still works like the day I purchased it.

Integrated is right, they rely on oxygen to burn effectively. If your in an enclosed space like for instance trying to weld a copper HWC outlet/vent pipe up high in say a cupboard they just dont burn hot enough to braze from the hot contaminated air surrounding you and your work..Ive heard of guys using fans before hahaha

They also are almost impossible to use in windy situations, cant get the copper heated up correctly to a point where silfos will flow.
Last company I worked for used them for almost everything and I would leave my gas set at home. Found I could easily weld to my surprise, 32mm copper on a good day in the right conditions,no wind and average temperature etc and could weld 15mm,20mm,25mm any day of the year. . This would vary obviously on where in Nz you live temperature wise, I am central North Island.

Definitely helpful for repair work or the such under houses. Good way to increase your efficiency on a small renovation/repair work.

A former workmate had a bernzomatic and it has lasted him well and at almost half the price of the Rothenberger. My advice would be to go Bernzomatic, I dont see anything bad about them as I have watched both in action for a number of years now. Helps if you take care of them though , to prolong its life which in turn keeps your tool maintenance costs down and more of your hard earned in your pocket.
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Re: Bernzomatic products
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2012, 09:08:54 PM »
im with integrated they have there time and place but theres nothing like the 3000deg flame put out by oxy/accet kit esp when joining a pipe in a renno when the water main does not completly close off!.

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Re: Bernzomatic products
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2012, 08:15:37 AM »
Why not have both? Thats the track I went down

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Re: Bernzomatic products
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2012, 02:20:22 PM »
I've often wondered if the standards here allow soldering joints on water and gas here in NZ.
Haven't seen anything in any standards saying no and have asked a few people over the years but never really got a straight answer.
Always keep a roll of solder and some flux in my van just incase.

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Re: Bernzomatic products
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2012, 03:15:01 PM »
hi guys/foggy, they did bring `yorkshire` fitting here about 35yrs ago but at the time we were going for crimp type stuff, also i believe the tin/lead mix had to be different from what the u.k. used so probably to hard basket to take to it. Having said that you could probably still use it if you could get the right mix solder,cheers

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Re: Bernzomatic products
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2012, 03:20:24 PM »
A guy from Europe that worked for company I use to work for used solder on a job once against the site foremans wishes. Council inspector wanted to see a supplier statement proving it was lead free and fit for potable water supply. Of course he couldnt be bothered doing that and left it. From memory I think some other guys removed his pipework before it was ever commissioned.


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