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bowtieboy · « **on:** March 22, 2014, 08:56:46 PM »

I have a really simple question, how does the board know what each plumber, gas fitter or drain layer is doing? how can they audit any one? they have no info on any gas fitting any more, they have never had any on plumbers and drain layers, so how can they ever check that we are competent?

Cpd points are easy to get, you just buy them, that doesn't make me or anyone competent!

By not knowing what we do, they are not doing their job, as they have been mandated by the legislation

Trying to get territorial authorities to play watch dog in regards to our current licences isn't and hasn't worked as its not their job and I know for a fact that they are not legally obligated to do so.

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wombles · « **Reply #1 on:** March 23, 2014, 08:23:47 AM »

They know because the tradesmen on the board (who haven't touched a tool in 30 years) tell them.

Badger · « **Reply #2 on:** March 23, 2014, 08:51:29 AM »

It is a system that is set up to take people out at will, take out the competition to the firms that are members of groups represented on the Board.

They have created a system that will only be viable that when they have "picked" you out, they will have to go through all your info, records, office systems....very gastapoesque.

THEY AREN'T HERE FOR ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES.

Rodza1 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 23, 2014, 10:24:57 AM »

I agree with badger,

Although I will say that if thats how the system will be, we can play that game too...if you get put out of business and have nothing left what have you got to lose.

I think this audit policy will be all too easy for the board to abuse with no one to look over the quality and impartiality of the process they will be using to audit us. If they want to witch hunt a few guys along the way who the bloody hell's going to stop them? John Key? John Campbell? Maurice Williamson?

If your a small business and get shut down you wont last long in the big bad world. I wonder if they will possibly employ other dirty tactics like smear tactic campaigns publically naming businesses to be 'unsafe' or 'non-compliant and plaster the local news papers to help destroy peoples businesses. As we know they have done it before....especially when board members and their business interests need to be protected.

Not much has changed post Phil Routhan era with the board being more transparent, honest or being held accountable. They can pretty much make any claims against any tradesman and say you have failed and are not competent. Will they have access to your business records? What will they do with that information? Will they share it "off the record' with whomever they please? Especially important for the smaller cities where board members and their businesses compete for the same work day in and day out as the rest of us. I can see this being used as a tool to help trim the competition if necessary.

For a group that is known for their corruption I can't see this new audit system going well for the industry..

Jaxcat · « **Reply #4 on:** March 23, 2014, 06:32:54 PM »

Audits will arise out of complaints. The problem with this is that what generates most complaints is a disagreement over money for the job. A disgruntled customer can go to the pgdb if they are unhappy with the charges and lay a complaint and this could start an audit. From the audit disciplinary action could arise. The question I have is if you pass the audit - should you need to get your points that year because they Board will have judged that you are competent? So how many times in that year would you have to prove it?

The problem with the Board is that they don't engage with industry unless they are that section of industry that keeps agreeing with them. They have a huge credibility problem and why Minister Williamson can't see that I don't know. It is only going to get worse. I don't know what else it will take to wake up some of the tradespeople who continually cry in their beer but don't stand up to be counted. That's what we need - a groundwell from the everyday plumber, gasfitter and drainlayer who moans to his mates at the pub about the state of industry and the costs of operating - that guy needs to be fed up enough to say "that's it - I've not taking it any more." If you've got mates like that - maybe it's time to tell them to get off their arses and have their say. What do they want? Lower fees, a competency system that doesn't operate on points? How about a Board that is fair and transparent? How about a governing group of industry representatives like the Federation?

Like everything else in this politically motivated world - it comes down to numbers and influence.

bowtieboy · « **Reply #5 on:** March 23, 2014, 07:57:05 PM »

so no complaints= no audit Jaxcat? ...which brings me back to my question, I bet the pgdb is not legally allowed access to my company records without my consent.
and do think I would let them at my records!
so....they (pgdb)have a problem.
just from a gas fitting angle in the past they had records to audit us off, not any more

Jaxcat · « **Reply #6 on:** March 23, 2014, 09:39:47 PM »

My understanding is that random audits were shelved after the round of consultation via submission - mind you that doesn't mean they won't have a go. The audits are not financial of your records, they are competency audits on actual work. They can access the certificates from ESS - and they could use these as a starter for 10. The only business records they may (read definitely) want to see for gasfitters anyway would be the copies of the gas certs. I see they have done some random busts of Chch commercial sites to check licences - some audits could flow out of this. It will be most interesting to see exactly how many prosecutions follow. What they didn't say is how successfully each of the visited sites was carrying out the supervision policy of the Board. Now that would be interesting.

For the record I don't think Board members themselves will have any say in who gets audited - it will be dealt with at an operational level, they may set the KPI's in regards to how many are budgeted for each year, but I don't think they will select the names. That would go against all the rules of governance.

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