Nov news info brief...


150 certifiers to be "audited" every year.........



How are they going to select who gets audited? Random, alphabetically, dowsing, tarot cards?

Or perhaps they now get to pick and choose who to audit ?

How open is this for abuse?

Linkback: https://www.plumbers.nz/pgdb-new-zealand-plumbing-gasfitting-and-drainlaying-board/30/annual-audits/1581/

hi guys,have`nt read it yet but here it is,cheers

Sent this morning, 20 working days and I'll let you know the out come.


Max,

 

Under an OIA request, please can you tell me

 

How the Board will pick out and what process the Board will apply to determine who the 150 annual audits will affect, i.e. will it be random, alphabetic, time in the trade, hand picked, pulled out of a hat, etc.

 

Also how will people who were given their certifying status without sitting a formal qualification, who don’t carryout any physical work and have never done any physical work be audited, for example Tony Hammond.



I am all for the tombola and monkey suit myself......

Totally agree 07442, what are the controls/protocol on who gets picked for a going over......one thing that's much easier...... it is easier to target people.....if they want to  .

Just out of curiosity how many certifying licences are there out there? what is 150 as a % of that number?

So perhaps, we have yet another ordeal to dissuade people from setting up a business, basically if you get your certifying license then you are up for an audit, potentially annually....if the monkey pulls your name out of the tombola, so to speak. Run by people who could have an interest in putting you out of business.......what could possibly go wrong.....

The past 2 audit systems have been abused, apparently.... so I have been told, to make money or target business opposition. How are we to know whether this one will be......hmmmm, I wonder.

I know we are told to ignore the past.....I think we are fools to.....my past experience tells me it is more likely than not you will be screwed over.

My licence money is going in the Feds trust fund.....the only people who have shown any integrity, honesty and openness.....not to mention being right on every complaint they made....showing these clowns for what they are......clowns.

Roll up, roll up,  roll up, all you cowboys and chancers out there.....1 in 8 chance of getting caught......

Or if you piss them off......a very real chance of getting screwed over annually.....or if your their mate or fellow industry organisation member, never even getting your door knocked.

I wonder which person thought this up, Coco, Bozo or Blinko....or somebody with an agenda to weed people out.

Can you trust this system to these people, taking into account their past record.



I have a scenario for you.....you out price or out shine some connected person, he asks his mates at the Board to apply pressure on you.....they trump up "cause for concern" at the "random" annual audit....then they go through you like a dose of salts......and publically humiliate you in your local paper.




I had this happen to me......same crew, same M.O. .......all except one thing........


Some one nearly died in an explosion.......if they can do this to me with such a huge and public incident involved......what do you think they can do to each and everyone of you, WITH NO EXPLOSION!!!! All quite and hush hush in the shadows of their back rooms, all kept quiet until ALL your customers think your dodgy and incompetent, done with a press release.

Now bear in mind, that I beat the all but 2 charges out of 44 charges (and the last two are utter bollox), and under the Board's own assessor I was found to be in the top 10% of people he had ever assessed.....my business re-launch has failed, people still think I am incompetent, mud sticks.....all because I don't have the resources and public pull of a supposedly trusted public government agency....

If you are not concerned about this you are either sucking up to them already and like the taste (but this is no protection at all, there is no loyalty or morals and your probably too scared to stand up for yourself), or you are totally naïve or an ostrich, or like a gamble......

We can stop it today together, or you can roll the dice to face it alone tomorrow......think about it!

Speaking of explosions, still no news from the Board or anyone else regarding the gas explosion up north that DID kill a woman earlier this year.

I have no problem per se with the Board doing random audits - on gasfitters, plumbers and drainlayers BUT I think we have a right to know the process they will follow, WHO will be doing them, and I DO NOT support them being done as a term and condition of holding a licence.   The last lot of audits the Board carried out over many years became somewhat of a joke, which is why I believe they stopped them.  Gasfitters worked collegially and told other gasfitters what sort of questions were being asked (each time they had a bent on a particular area of the code) and so they had the answers ready.  As it followed such a formset process it became more about playing the system than acknowledging any sort of competency of tradespeople.  Additionally some of the auditors were found wanting and could not interpret the answers in a wider frame.  I know at our firm we had an "audit box" all ready to go to try and cut down the time involved for practitioners.

I am interested to see how they will approach this with plumbers and drainlayers as gasfitters are easy pickings.

get ready to assume the position.....