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Offline robbo

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Re: Hourly rate for plumbing in 2013
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2012, 08:28:05 PM »
Hi guys, Look what our minister will be getting while actively supporting the board in charging us tradesmen more than enough, cheers                                                                                              …
While many people struggle financially at Christmas, politicians will be enjoying early holiday cheer with a pay rise. The independent Remuneration Authority has again made an end of year recommendation for a pay increase for the MPs. The pay rise, to be confirmed on Thursday and would be back-paid - giving politicians a Christmas lump sum.

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Re: Hourly rate for plumbing in 2013
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2012, 09:37:56 PM »
Hi guys im interested to know whether you are planning on bumping up your rates in 2013. With several good plumbers I pay well when looking at the bottom line with all the licensing fee's, time for CPD etc, I almost feel I need to bump mine up. Not to mention that more and more people delay with payments and the risks are greater then ever. Until now I have not built a risk factor into my rate to accommodate the market but considering it in 2013.

Did you find it easy winning jobs last time you bumped your rates up? Appreciate any feedback.
to answer your question Plumber....yes i will continue to raise my rates. and that is a direct result of over heads that you all have mentioned.and i hate groups like L...er that continue to undercut and employ unqualified people and pgdb let them get away with it !!! >:(
I believe in doing a job once and right. !

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Re: Hourly rate for plumbing in 2013
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2012, 09:43:20 PM »
  Turns out the guy that did the work isn't a "plumber" either - but an exemption holder, currently on a benefit, and undercutting legitmate business owners.  Now did the customer knowingly employ an unlicensed person?  And if reported would the Board take that person to Court?  I believe they can, but whether they would or not is another matter.  The guy at the end of the chain now has an installation that may not be safe or legal, and certainly I think his insurance company would ask questions.  We, along with other legitimate tradespeople missed out on a job - and this guy who installed it doesn't have to pay licence fees, upskilling or tax - he's certainly on to a winner.




I agree Jax - and maybe Wal this could be cause for further investigation by the fed?   (hell I may even send this out to local merchants myself) there is definately a required duty there for all

see below - this could be applied to customers as well as merchants who knowingly and willingly supply material and work to unlicensed persons to undertake illegal works


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Aiding and abetting generally means to somehow assist in the commission of a crime, or to be an accomplice. It involves a plan to commit a crime or to commit acts, the probable consequences of which are criminal.

An accomplice may assist or encourage the main offender with the same intent to have the crime committed, but does not necessarily have to be present when the crime is actually committed. However, without sharing the criminal intent, one who is merely present when a crime occurs and stands by silently is not an accomplice, regardless of the harm that could've been prevented if he/she had acted.


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Re: Hourly rate for plumbing in 2013
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2012, 10:28:05 PM »
Try 245K - Toyotas - you have to love them, they just go and go and go.   We have a few in the over 200 thousand Km - regularly serviced though - and showing no signs of problems. 

460 000 and still going strong (touch wood)  :) the old toyota just keeps on going
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Re: Hourly rate for plumbing in 2013
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2012, 10:44:12 PM »
A Russian goes into a Lada dealership in Moscow. The salesman greets him and asks if he can be of assistance. 'Yes' he says proudly. ' I am here to but a new Lada'.' Certainly sir' beams the sales man and escorts the man to his office. After they are seated the salesman asks ' what model do you want?' The guy asks 'what models do you have' the salesman replies 'only one' the guy shrugs and say ' I'll have that model then'. The salesman then asks' 'what colour does sir require' the guy asks 'what colour s do you have?' The salesman replies 'black' 'ok, I'll have a black Lada'. They do the paperwork and the salesman then requests a 100% deposit up front. The guy gladly pays and asks 'when can I have one?' The salesman looks at his watch and says ' well, today is the 17th of December your car will be ready for delivery on the 24th of December 2016.' The guy pauses for a moment and calmly enquires 'morning or afternoon?' The salesman is gobsmacked and says 'comrade you are buying a Lada, there is only one colour, you have paid the money up front and I have I have told you there is a four year wait. What does it matter if it is morning or afternoon?' The guy shrugs and says 'I have the plumber coming in the morning'.
 
May be we need to go to Russia , thought Id lighten this thread up a bit lol

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Re: Hourly rate for plumbing in 2013
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2012, 09:35:07 AM »
Love it Peasea  ;D
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Re: Hourly rate for plumbing in 2013
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2012, 09:39:40 AM »
to answer your question Plumber....yes i will continue to raise my rates. and that is a direct result of over heads that you all have mentioned.and i hate groups like L...er that continue to undercut and employ unqualified people and pgdb let them get away with it !!! >:(

We are also intending on increasing rates in 2013, will see how the public responses and whether we can hold the rate. In 2 days its apparently the end of the world so will see how we go  :-X

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Re: Hourly rate for plumbing in 2013
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2012, 01:26:14 PM »
Here's a thought for you - it's getting crammed down our throats that the Board are there for the health and safety of the public when in reality it is the trades that provide the service whilst at the same time protecting ourselves from injury.

We keep getting compaired to lawyers and architects for CPD etc so perhaps it's time to put ourselves on level ground with them $300.00 per hour? It would certainly cut our work and create a huge black market but at $300.00 and hour we would only need to do a third of the work we do now and would still be better off.

As for the Government and Board, well they don't care about us so why worry about the black market, the tax they will miss out on, the greater risk to the public created by the government, the loss in ACC Levies, the loss in licensing, the loss in discipline levies, the loss of career opportunities and the loss in apprenticeships.

To me happy people are productive people doing a good job.




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Re: Hourly rate for plumbing in 2013
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2012, 06:03:28 PM »
Wall might be on to something here.  I went to the dentist the other day and it was $150.00 for 15 minutes.  $10.00 per minute. I don't mind doing CPD for that money.

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Re: Hourly rate for plumbing in 2013
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2012, 08:22:53 PM »
hmmmm  ::) i like Wal's thinking, ...300 sound good to me PER HOUR  8).....PLUS GST ! HA

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Re: Hourly rate for plumbing in 2013
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2012, 09:44:39 PM »
Wal - the money you talk is good, but I wouldn't want to see this trade become like architects and engineers - is it only me, or has anyone else noticed how poor the quality of plans and specifications has become?  It is all cut and paste and pass the buck.  These guys are taking very little responsibility for their work at the same time as clipping the ticket.  You know what a "site problem" is - one which the engineer or architect hasn't got a clue how to solve.  Some of the stuff they draw just simply won't work - and then there is the quandry - do you allow for what you know they need - but are up against other guys less scrupulous who price it as drawn and then hit them for extras as soon as the job starts. Trouble is, if you are a competent operator you never get away with that because the main contractor will always say, "but you must/should have known."  I have seen specifications written by engineers that damn near cost as much as the job is going to cost.  They cut and past every thing they can think of because I am sure they work on the premise that the thicker the spec is the more it must be worth.  Along comes the poor old plumber who would have done a design and build for half the price of the engineer - and guess what - it would have worked. 

So yes Wal, $300 an hour - but I think we are better than them, more professional and more honest.  I agree with upskilling, but not CPD which is simply about purchasing points not knowledge.  Ticking boxes not improving skills - jumping to the PGDB's tune, not doing what is best for your business.
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Re: Hourly rate for plumbing in 2013
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2012, 05:59:06 AM »
We are not only fighting against bureaucracy but we are also fighting against perceptions.  We all know people won't pay $300.00 an hour because we are "only trades people".  Little do they realise that without the tradespeople their lives would be gas and shit literally.

Most trades people are responsible people with a social conscience.  They give people a fair deal but we are being forced into a position that our reputations are at risk due to the bureauractical garbage being piled on us.

Quite frankly I'm getting sick of hearing "its in the interests of public health and safety" - this seems to be the excuse for everything from creating training empires, to not adhering to statute, to imposing illegal taxes.  Create a scenario to cover the incompetence.

At the moment we are having to be the public conscience, their protector, their insurance, their bank and we have to be the governments provider of funding by way of tax, paye, employment, ACC etc.  If it wasn't for the trades people, this country and all in it would be screwed but does anyone have any respect for us or want to help us - no they don't it is simply left up to us to fend for our selves.

You mark my words that with the direction we are being taken trades and good tradespeople will become a thing of the past.

I feel the industry needs to take a stance.  We have been too nice to everyone and they are trampling all over us. If they want to impose extra restriction on us at our cost then we must hand on the costs by way of hourly rate increases or consider this a Government/Board Levy on each invoice to cover the regulation costs. And if people ask what the levy is direct them to the Minister or the Board.



 

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Re: Hourly rate for plumbing in 2013
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2012, 06:41:16 AM »
Jez Wal you're fired up this morning.

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Re: Hourly rate for plumbing in 2013
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2012, 09:44:16 AM »
hi guys/watchdog, find some previous posts by "Thunderhead' if you want to see what `fired up` means, (not a criticism of thunder) cheers

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Re: Hourly rate for plumbing in 2013
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2012, 10:06:58 AM »
Hi guys, Wal a nail on the head post from you, I’m glad you have control of the rudder and not others that I can think of

Jax you say (a "site problem" is - one which the engineer or architect hasn't got a clue how to solve) then a skilled tradesman steps in to fix it.

I totally agree with your (I agree with upskilling, but not CPD which is simply about purchasing points not knowledge) knowledge is also lost on many especially DIY`ers and cowboys as if you don’t have the skill the knowledge is useless.

 (Most trade’s people are responsible people with a social conscience)( more professional and more honest) yes but look at the barriers being put against us all for wanting to earn an HONEST living, cheers



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