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Fellow Practitioner Issue 252 Dated 1 May 2015
« on: May 01, 2015, 06:23:48 AM »
The Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board just keep on hammering away at the industry, spending our money in the hope everyone accepts the “Ask for the Card” campaign but are their tactics right. The campaign is five years old and hasn't caught on.  Now the Board is gloating that two retail outlets are going to sell non registered people the plumbing gasfitting and drainlaying gear and then tell the customer to ask for the card if they use a tradesman. Doesn't that mean they are contributing to the problem and then expecting tradespeople to pay for the correction of the problem.

On the face of it, there seems to be a contentment by tradespeople in the plumbing, gasfitting and drainlaying industry to accept the actions by the Government and Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board, yet when speaking to them they state they are not happy and absolutely sick of the situation that has existed for the last decade. Most ask what it will take to get change and why the Government won’t listen?

By now the realisation should be setting in with tradespeople working in the plumbing, gasfitting and drainlaying industries that nothing will get better for tradespeople unless we collectively change it. Now is the time to step up or step out. The Federation needs tradespeople to make a decision for the future.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 252 Dated 1 May 2015
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2015, 08:04:01 AM »
How can we rely on an Ombudsman who appears to be so selective, he also wrote this below, but after receiving this email attached and all the evidence posted on here, he decided to use his discretion not to look at how I was investigated.....

 
 
First, what do I mean by evidence? My Oxford English dictionary tells me that the word comes via Old French from the Latin evidentia, meaning ‘obvious to the eye or mind’ – from videre, to see. This is revealing, since one of the most common criticisms of medical (or gas ?) regulators when a licensed doctor has harmed patients, is that the board turned a ‘blind eye’ to the available evidence.
 
And from another paper….
 
 
Finding effective ways to raise concerns within the health (or may be gas?) system is a particular concern. Too often, health professionals (or may be gasfitters?) who attempt to do so lack institutional support and are met by denial and resistance. Even external inquiry bodies learn to expect re-litigation of findings by interested parties, denigration by critics, and revisionism by subsequent commentators who did not hear all the evidence and sometimes seem wilfully blind to it!
 
* My additions in brackets.




It appears that the Ombudsman is there for damage control not fairness, fairness denied to the plumbers of this country....why not change the law to make it all legal.....oh wait there they did that to take 2 million dollars off us.......that's fair!
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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 252 Dated 1 May 2015
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2015, 11:30:31 AM »
It interesting what the term "discretion" brings up.....

Abuse of discretion[edit]


"An abuse of discretion is a failure to take into proper consideration the facts and law relating to a particular matter; an arbitrary or unreasonable departure from precedent and settled judicial custom."[8] On appeal of an exercise of judicial discretion, "abuse of discretion" is a standard of review requiring the appellate court to find that the lower court's decision would "shock the conscience" of a reasonable person in order to reverse the decision below.


I am pretty reasonable and my conscience is very shocked that the Ombudsman is willing to ignore blatant cover up of a near fatal explosion that put a bloke in intestive care for two weeks, not to mention the Boards incompetent administering of the gas safety certificates, that led up to that explosion.......how does your conscience feel about it, are you feeling reasonable?

Fairness for all.......hmmmm not seeing it myself......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 252 Dated 1 May 2015
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2015, 11:36:09 AM »
I was entitled to a fair and just hearing, I was entitled to have full disclosure of evidence and facts, I was entitled not to have my wife terrorised, I was entitled to not have lies spread about me......but the Ombudsman has used his discretion to not look at how I was investigated (or set up more like).

If they will do this to little old me.....what do they do on the big important stuff?

I have tried every legal channel that I can afford, what do I do next, go postal?


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