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Why do we have licensed plumbers and certifying plumbers?
I think we should have just one final qualification like electricians. Being a licensed plumber doesn't mean much really. Your no better off than someone who has spent 5yrs in the trade but has not passed any exams.
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In the public mind in my opinion, there is no distinction between a licenced plumber and a certifying plumber , the board asked for feedback before they changed to the the titles we currently have, so the public could distinguish who is fully qualified and who isnt, In my opinion it is less clear than the situation before .
Lets be honest here licenced is still a journeyman plumber and should be described as such ,
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hi guys, well we were all the same at one time"Registered"and that suited me, what has changed?
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In Europe its its a big deal to have completed your apprenticeship and be qualified in your trade. They call it a "certificate of trade" showing that you know exactly what you are doing in your trade. Then there is the certifying level, Knowledge wise in the trade there is no difference. The difference is that one has a business. In Germany for example you require $25000 Euro's to do your "meisterbrief > certifying level" this allows you to run your own business and employ licensed plumbers. Additionally anyone intending on operating a business "gmbh" or in other words "ltd" needs to have $50000 Euro in cash securities locked in a bank account regardless if your German or not.
I'm not suggesting this is how it should be in NZ but this immediately eliminates many issues we face. Why are licensed plumbers not respected as they should be for becoming qualified in a world this is becoming more a rarity? and why is the gap from licensed to certifying so small? Why can anyone with $150 NZD register a business and immediately have limited liability when all goes wrong and register a new business under a different name 6 weeks later? Is that why many people have lost faith in businesses here in NZ?
I dont have the answers to all these questions but I know that we still have a long way to go.
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Hi All I believe that we should have a similar system to Aussie where you do your apprenticeship sit your exam and get your licence. Licence in Aussie = certifying here there is no middle stage you are either apprentice or licenced. It doesn't come much simpler even the public should be able to understand that (though not sure about PGDB ;) they seem a bit thicker than most )
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In Europe its its a big deal to have completed your apprenticeship and be qualified in your trade. They call it a "certificate of trade" showing that you know exactly what you are doing in your trade. Then there is the certifying level, Knowledge wise in the trade there is no difference. The difference is that one has a business. In Germany for example you require $25000 Euro's to do your "meisterbrief > certifying level" this allows you to run your own business and employ licensed plumbers. Additionally anyone intending on operating a business "gmbh" or in other words "ltd" needs to have $50000 Euro in cash securities locked in a bank account regardless if your German or not.
I'm not suggesting this is how it should be in NZ but this immediately eliminates many issues we face. Why are licensed plumbers not respected as they should be for becoming qualified in a world this is becoming more a rarity? and why is the gap from licensed to certifying so small? Why can anyone with $150 NZD register a business and immediately have limited liability when all goes wrong and register a new business under a different name 6 weeks later? Is that why many people have lost faith in businesses here in NZ?
I dont have the answers to all these questions but I know that we still have a long way to go.
^^^this is exactly how it should be^^^
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In Europe its its a big deal to have completed your apprenticeship and be qualified in your trade. They call it a "certificate of trade" showing that you know exactly what you are doing in your trade. Then there is the certifying level, Knowledge wise in the trade there is no difference. The difference is that one has a business. In Germany for example you require $25000 Euro's to do your "meisterbrief > certifying level" this allows you to run your own business and employ licensed plumbers. Additionally anyone intending on operating a business "gmbh" or in other words "ltd" needs to have $50000 Euro in cash securities locked in a bank account regardless if your German or not.
I'm not suggesting this is how it should be in NZ but this immediately eliminates many issues we face. Why are licensed plumbers not respected as they should be for becoming qualified in a world this is becoming more a rarity? and why is the gap from licensed to certifying so small? Why can anyone with $150 NZD register a business and immediately have limited liability when all goes wrong and register a new business under a different name 6 weeks later? Is that why many people have lost faith in businesses here in NZ?
I dont have the answers to all these questions but I know that we still have a long way to go.
Thats not totally different to here apart from how much more money you'd need. Its a two tier system. You either know your stuff or you don't. If you do you should be able to run a business. Show me any other trade where once you've completed your apprenticeship you can't work for yourself.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a CP, but I think this two tier thing just puts barriers in the way of young fullas. Make the apprenticeship system better and make it so that once you finish you can operate. This two year stand down and another exam is BS.
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hi guys/ts, totally agree,cheers