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Well those of you that tuned into Parliament would have heard the woeful news that the Government has voted AGAINST the the disallowance motions put by the Regulation Review Committee. Their reasoning as explained by Minister Williamson is that he has an output agreement in place which will take care of the issue of upskilling (CPD) and that the Board is making great improvements (move over while I be sick!)
Never before have I been so ashamed to be a National Voter, nor a member of the Master Plumbers who have obviously lobbied the Minister hard and fast. The Regulation Review committee which voted unanimously (including the two National members) to put the motion made some good comments in the debate. A gold star to Chris Hipkins who at least attempted to valiantly stick up for democracy and made the point that the RRC did give the Master Plumbers an opportunity to put a submission and they did not. Back door efforts are more there style today.
I have for the most part tried to defend Master Plumbers as I believe the heart of the organisation has good intentions and that it does hold to high standards in the industry -however tonight I am for the first time disillusioned. I believe in my heart of hearts that the decision is about dollars not knowledge and that it is about patch protection and not the integrity of the industry.
I feel like I need a 12 step programme - I am Jaxcat and I have been a National voter and a member of the Master Plumbers.
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Im ready to take the Master Plumbers sticker OFF MY VAN and replace it with a PGDF one! Please tell me where I can get one! If you dont have any yet I will for my own!! I would rather give my money to the PGDF because I know they work hard for the industry! Please sign me up!
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If you message your address I am sure it can be organised!!
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Campbell live fullas. Bad press is the only thing politicians are afraid of.
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hi newguy/ guys,what part of the country are you in? i`ve got some i am in christchurch,cheers
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Well I am right I told you that gravel and those dodgy master plumbers have again sold plumbing down the drain just so they make from us all and stuff plumbing
Just because you pay for a pretty little sticker that says master plumber this very little when the rest of us are the real master plumbers but we done want to join a club that doesn't care about plumbing and it's future
On another I've just finished plumbing out to property and building control were very happy with my plumbing and drains they said it is bloody stupid what the plumbers are putting us through they idiots jd
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Apologies to the thread mine - tried to find something relevant rather than start anew...
Just wondering/thinking that there must be a legal requirement/duty for Master Plumbers to ask employees of member businesses if they want to be employee members at no cost prior to adding employees to a register - see they are going to spam employers for employee lists to bolster member numbers...
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Employee Membership
Bolster numbers for submissions
Concur with board to implement as they see fit
Need a list to employers to make sure employees are on list (electronically)
Kept updated on annual renewal (same time as fees)
so looks like what they expect to happen is they send this email out asking for employee details - employer recieves email, adds employee details, sends back to MP and hello MP membership increases with many perhaps even most employee members not even knowing it!!
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maybe the federation should extend complementary membership to member's family's as they have to bear the brunt of and put up with this crap industry situation also..
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I'll put my dog up for membership!!
Surely there must be some privacy issues with a boss releasing an employees name to a membership organisation?
If my boss put my name forward I'd be telling him where to get off.
The people who believe the numbers from Master Plumbers must be thick.
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I don't think any employer can sign up their employees without their agreement. That would be wrong on so many levels.
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Employees private details should come under the privacy act 1993....
I gather that the fiasco over personal details that the PGDB wanted to include in the public register has not been forgotten.
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I'll put my dog up for membership!!
The people who believe the numbers from Master Plumbers must be thick.
Well Watchdog it seems as though this is now a virtual reality...
I initially believed Bev McRae would bring some much needed positive change to society but looking at the latest intent it seems that she is only going to ramp up the dis-association with the real working industry - membership is being extended to and for anyone and everyone! There will effectively be a class of membership for all sects of society, thats cool and will make numbers look good but the shift of representation from actual industry to those with vested interests is virtually complete...
One decade and an entire industry has been stolen and Incorporated from those who built it!!
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hi guys, (membership is being extended to and for anyone and everyone)
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i wonder if this is a move so `employers` can ask/bribe/coerce their workers to be members ,that way they would get numbers to their cause,cheers
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Some of these organisations and government departments are so predictable and this membership issue is a classic example. Because the Federation has picked up on all the problem issues and is doing what an industry organisation should do, they are now seen as shit stirrers etc.
This action by Master Plumbers is to recover the ground lost by their previous inaction's. I wonder what the Federations take is on this issue?
What people have to realise is that times are changing and people aren't as tolerant with incompetence in government and having shit shoved down their throats by government sponsored organisations and in our case a government sponsored charity. Perhaps the people of Egypt are leading by example. I'm not saying we hit the streets YET but there needs to be some form of dialog before the situation in our industry gets worse.
Has anyone tried to intervene in the problems in our industry. NO it seems the Federation is the only ones who have requested meetings with nearly everyone to resolve the situation and they have been told to piss off. It has left a situation where every day is a fight and there is only so long that people fight with a pen or a computer. After that they start taking physical action.
Master Plumbers "voice of the industry" bullshit.
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Yeah - I think it is an insane strategy, people of my age and younger <40yrs really cant be bothered with all the corporate allegiance crap - if they actually bothered to take up issues the way in which the fed has even as recent as maybe 3-5yr ago then they may have saved themselves
I think it says everything when they have to rely on others rather than the actual "Master Plumbers" to maintain viability
It is supposed to be "Master Plumbers association" not "corporate plumbing industry, legislator & suppliers association"
That latest journal was a joke - take out all the advertising and corporate propaganda and what was left? something to light my fire with I suppose - its not even good enough to wipe my arse with lol!!
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Integrated, really interested in your comments. MP need numbers. If the organisation doesn't change then it will die. However I do believe the changes are prompted by two things - 1. They have been challenged by the Federation as to their claims of "voice of industry" based on their numbers of 700 odd. 2. There is a huge need to get more members to be able to claim numbers represented, and also to maintain business sponsorships etc. Suppliers are providing a lot of money to this organisation and are simply not getting bang for buck in terms of visibility with low conference attendances, with membership not growing at a fast rate etc.
I think the new membership concept has been badly packaged and delivered. Traditional MP membership does not like change and needs to be brought along slowly to any new concepts - this has been slapped on them and then there is going to be an attempt to bulldoze it through a special general meeting. I think they have misread their membership at large. Destablizing the Associations is a dangerous thing to do as most grass roots members would cite this as their most important reason for joining.
I think the Plumbers Journal is an excellent publication. I don't think much of the CEO's comments in the opening pages - I think that it is again a mis-read of members wants. MP has been too slow to take up the grievances, and too quiet. You can work hand in glove all you like with politicians, the PGDB, the officials at MOBIE - but it has good MP sweet f**k all in terms of true outcomes that benefit their members and industry. In fact one could say the softly, softly approach is probably what got us in to this mess in the first place. If MP had come out harder with the PGDB in the early days we may all have been better off. Still it was hard to do that when both organisations shared so many members.
I think the Federation has filled a great void in the industry and has given a voice to a many from apprentices to retired tradespeople, from council inspectors to officials who are not happy in the industry. All of these people have been provided with an equal opportunity to speak. I would venture that the patronising, and slightly derisory comments by the CEO of MP could come back and bite said position in the backside. This is our industry, plain and simple. Sure they don't speak like architects, (or charge like them either), but they are plain speaking, and if I recall, most of what the Federation has pointed out has come to pass to be 100% true - so much so the Government are having to restrospectively alter legislation to put right what is wrong and save the Board's arse yet again.
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I completely agree with Jaxcat,
I for one have been a member of mp for many years, but I will not support their lack of support for the tradesman against the pgdb bs. I have told mp so and I have cancelled my membership. no longer will I support a organization that turns a blind eye to illegal behaviour.
I will gladly give the federation my 1200 odd dollars per year to see equality and fairness for us tradesmen.
One thing that has really pist me off is the mp upskill courses that as a member I ONLY have to pay $150 to attend and find that I am being tutored at these courses but a guy who has Know idea what he is doing and has NO more qualifications than I do! THAT to me is a joke and an insult.
have I read right? are master plumbers allowing non tradesmen become member's? and if so since when?
regards
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I whole-heartily agree Jax - it is a sad situation that they now find themselves in, I have not renewed membership and will not be gaining membership with a new business venture either - and I no longer shop at Plumbing World - the type of work I mostly do doesn't require it these days anyway...
And yes bowtie they allow non-tradesmen as members - just a different class of membership, you can bet your bottom dollar they are counted for consulting though!!
In fact the last few meetings I attended the bulk if not majority - meaning more than half of those in the room were "associate", "partner" or "affiliate" members - mostly corporate and supplier middle management!! Its an absolute joke and a travesty! And yes they have an input...
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I must point out - they have allowed non-tradesmen as members for quite some time
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Yep, I was at the AGM where they voted that you didn't need to be a plumber to be a Master Plumber(ironic and a bit of a oxy moron), just run a plumbing business with a Muppet signing all your work off for you while the owner takes all the profit and the goon who signs everything off takes all the responsibility. Lovely jubbly. Beginning of the end really.
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:'(.....face it guys our trade has been stolen off us, and we have let them too, by suits and chancers.....
One of the times I was chastised and growled at by a "master plumber" at an AGM, was when a "tool" said he was passionate about plumbing......I asked to see his callouses on his knees.......he didn't have any....because the "tool' had never even picked up a spanner. His passion was making money off plumbing, not about plumbing....bit of a tit really as-well......hiya if your reading this.
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sound very familiar badger! .. another season to step away from them as far as I am concerned. >:(