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Hi guys
Well worth having a look at this link to the Nelson Mail from today and then you can also look at the links to yesterday's paper. This refer's to Badgers case who has posted on here many times. The link is http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/4965690/Gasfitter-may-be-a-scapegoat (http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/4965690/Gasfitter-may-be-a-scapegoat)
Not sure if the link will work, otherwise cut and paste it or google Nelson Mail - it was the lead story today. Big ups to Wal Gordon for doing his best - now we just need to wait and hear what the outcome is.
I would also encourage practitioners to email Dr Nick Smith and thank him for coming out in support of Paul Gee. It doesn't happen often enough and if we write to Dr Smith and congratulate him on standing up to be counted then he may want to investigate the PGDB a bit further. As an industry we need all the people we can get to shine a spotlight on the PGDB and their activities.
Nick Smith's email address is nick4nelson@parliament.govt.nz or alternatively send it to his private secretary to pass on to him Lucy.Paul@parliament.govt.nz Politicians respond to numbers and this guy has finally stood up for one of his electorate who has been badly dealt with.
If you do send an email, post on here that you have so we can get an idea of numbers. In the meantime we should be sending good wishes to the gasfitter for a good outcome. And to Wal Gordon - you deserve a medal and a BEER!!!!
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Can I ask what caused the explosion?
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If you follow the link and then click to the link on the side of the page that comes up - there is an article about the Fish and Chip Shop explosion. From my reading on here and from what I know about the issue the explosion was caused by a failure (not a product failure) of the LPG steel flexi hose connecting to the fryer i.e. the hose had been pulled backwards and forwards to allow cleaning and it had abraided the casing of the hose, causing a leak. Not too sure on the source of ignition - and there is a long and detailed explanation about how the hose was in such a position that this could happen - the basis of which is one of the issues raised at the hearing. There are explanations from Badger himself on this forum under different headings - and better to hear this from the horses mouth rather than the horses arse!! (LOL) Have a look through Badger's posts and you'll get a pretty good idea of what the background is.
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yup i sent thanks...good on him for supporting the real victim here
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hi guys,if a flexi-pipe connection failed as they say then it seems that a lack of maintenance checks was the cause, surely the gasfitter cannot be held responsible for that,cheers
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hi guys,i wondered why Wal was in Nelson he is in Christchurch tommorrow he may have a meeting arranged for a get together,cheers
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Good on Wal Gordon for helping out Paul Gee who has been the target of those pack of bastards we have to keep funding in Wellington.
Good on Nick Smith for comming out in support of Paul. I hope he can let that idiot Williamson in on a few home truths about the Board aka Bastards.
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hi guys/badger, in the past i had done some certifying for a company down here but i filled in the paperwork and sent it on there was no way i was giving that to the company that way it could not be altered, what happened to your copy? i also supervised/tested and checked the installations,cheers
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i sent in my fathers story of the run in he had with the PGDB...even after the home owner admitted to changing the pipework himself the stupid PGDB still tried to prosiecute him!
Thanks for this email - I have forwarded it to the bosses blackberry so he gets it this morning - You may not be surprised to know you aren't the only person making similar comments.
Kind regards
Judy Cunningham
Electorate Agent
Hon Dr Nick Smith
MP NELSON
544 Waimea Road, Nelson
Ph 03 5472314
Fax 03 5472315
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We are slowly climbing the hill people!.
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I was told by my boss to hand in my job card and his daughter would fill a cert out and hand it back for me to sign, which I did and then ( and this is where I was naive to the point of being thick) handed it back all four copies together for them to "keep safe" the most monumental cock up of my career, I tried since 2003, the year I left his firm (explosion 2009) to get it looked at, I only worked for him for 9 months, it was the first time I was made to sign off work ( except for 2 certs I had done in 1999), what a plonker....you know what its like new job, don't want to rock the boat, going along with how they did things, ..... and they have done the same thing to other fitters aswell as me.
I thought my old boss was a timeserved 40 year experience gasfitter( going by his age), but was given his ticket with no apprenticeship, about 10 years earlier, he was working totally unchecked and untrained for about 10 years in my area.
Like my old Nan used to say ......don't trust the arse you sit on.
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yea it sucks when you put your trust in someone and they f**k you over like that...have you contacted the manfacturer of the braided hose to ask them what there maintance reckomendations are on there product?...if there is no proff of regular inspection and maintance by a qualified person then of course neglect has occured relieving you of responsibilty...which is what is easy to see...everybody has a responsibilty of due care and just using something and not checking it from time to time means that problems can arrise in my eyes...just like a car which every damb 6 mts has to be checked...one would think in a industral/commercial situation where the install is used heaverly most every day that it would need to be inspected at regular 6mth intervials or something like that so any problems can be picked up before they become a danger...it is only common safety scense that any exposed pipework in a commercial setting should be inspected for damage evey so often!...The STUPID PGDB would rather wait for things to fail so they can justify there existance instead they should be pushing for more safety regulations which would see the PUBLIC much safer off at the end of the day.
Keep on keeping on badger and enjoy your weekend!.
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hi badger/guys,yes i was told that "we will buy the certs for you" No no i will get the certs and charge you for them, "can you send them to us so we can pass them on" No no i will do it and i did, anyone who is working for wages whether a certifyer or not should let the certifying boss do the signing and the paperwork, you would need $100 per hr and full insurance to certify the work or you could finish up in trouble as you have found badger. Another gasfitter i know installed a commertial system designed by engineers then certifyed it, it when wrong bigtime he got nailed for $10000 by the board while the engineers walked away, just be carefull thinking others know better than you because you are responsible for what is signed for,cheers, and good luck badger i am sure that common sense will prevail
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All these examples must be passed on to your MP or the OAG, IF THEY DON'T KNOW THEN THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
WHEN IT ALL COMES OUT ABOUT HOW AND WHY ALL THIS IS GOING ON, CHANGE WILL, IF NOT MUST, COME.
THIS OUR INDUSTRY AND IT IS GOING DOWN THE DRAIN, PARDON THE PUN.
THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE SUPPORT, GET YOUR NAME DOWN WITH WAL AND THE FEDERATION OR ITS JUST TALK, WE NEED ACTION ;)
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hi guys/thunder, i wonder if gasfitters could legally put a disclaimer on their invoices such as:- "All gasfitting work needs to be safety checked annually, failure to do this will void the warrentee" i think it should be looked into as a possibility, it`s not worth being in an industry that can apply huge penalties on innocent parties,cheers
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Can you imagine going back to a mechanic and saying its your fault the brakes failed and I crashed my car, even though I haven't had my car serviced or warrented for SIX years. :o
It is fundamental to gas systems to get them regularly tested and serviced, but people won't until you make them, and if the Board persecutes fitters for this lack of servicing and maintenance, what message does that send to the customer??
Also some w**ker lowered my pipe work and bayonets( to about 200mm off the floor), which I had told the inquisitor but he ignored, and only got to see the withheld photos, that validated what I was saying at the bloody hearing. Dodgy as!!!
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All gasfitters need to tell customers that gas appliances require annual servicing. You won't see manufacturer's put this in big bold letters in their customer handbooks, not because they don't believe it, but because they don't want it influencing the purchase i.e. if a customer has to take into account an annual servicing cost they may not buy the appliance, HOWEVER most manufacturer's require regular servicing for the warranty to stay intact. We write to our customers every year reminding them the product needs servicing and I would recommend this to other gasfitters - it gives you work over summer too when traditionally gas is a little slow. You can also get little stickers printed that are like a car WOF and put them on the appliances with a recommended due date for future services.
Badger, everyone will be anxiously awaiting the PGDB decision (obviously not as much as you and Wal) - but let us know. Good luck mate - sounds like you and Wal have done everything you could. Bet your wife and kids will be glad when this is all over.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/4989216/Gas-employer-charged-with-faulty-work (http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/4989216/Gas-employer-charged-with-faulty-work)
So whats this about..........
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Yes indeed - interesting the hearing was 5 April and a decision is still not handed down. Are they waiting for the latest hearing outcome first do you think?
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Who'd know, maybe Badger can fill us in on these charges?
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Just wondering how Badger was getting on - any decision yet?
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hi guys sorry haven't been on this for a while but as the people WHO OVER SEE US have ruined my business I have had to work away from my family ( and computer, I am now sat in an iternet cafe with some muppet rocking out to music off the internet )
Hi Jax, thanks for asking. Apparently it is normal for the Board to take 2 months for a result............ :o
And to cap it all off after the hearing I asked the Board for a copy of my bosses pink copy for a pizza oven fitted after my original work ( NOT THE FRYERS, which weren't maintained for seven years, or serviced), up to this time I had been shown copies of the certifiers and gas suppliers ( both of with would have been in my old bosses possesion, as he was the gas supplier and certifier. Now all through the hearing I had questioned the fact that the test results didn't appear to be filled in on these bad photo copies. It was niggling me so I asked to see the original pink ( as it was part of the evidence at the hearing) to be told that.....
MY BOSS HAD NEVER REGISTERED IT ( MY BOSS WHO i HAD TRIED TO WARN ABOUT IN 2005 FOR DODGY CERTS WAS ISSUING THE CARBON COPIES TO CUSTOMERS BUT NOT REGISTERING THE ORIGINAL AT THE BOARD) AND THAT BELINDA GREER KNEW SOME 9 DAYS AFTER THE EXPLOSION, SO YOU GOT A GUY WHO HAD HIS TICKET GIFTED TO HIM AFTER ONE ORAL EXAM, BY THE VERY SAME "IMPARTIAL " INVESTIGATOR WHO WAS RUINING ME, AND i AM GUESSING THE REGISTRAR KNEW ALSO, WHO SENT OUT 6 LYING LETTERS ABOUT ME ( WHICH WERE LATER RECINDED ) AND I WAS PROVED TO BE RIGHT JUST 9 DAYS AFTER THE EXPLOSION, I.E. MY BOSS WAS DOING DODGY STUFF WITH CERTS. MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND TO WHATS GOING ON, APPARENTLY ALL BROUGHT ON MY SELF BECAUSE i HAD RUBBED SOME PEOPLE UP THE WRONG WAY, WELL PEOPLE YOU AINT SEEN F**K ALL YET
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I feel a court case coming on Badger... once the decision is handed down. Just hope you don't have to wait too much longer.
2 months for a decision - I echo your :o
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Hi Jax, over two months, I have been told now I am to get a result on 11th July, that date rings a bell..............
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Update Badger? 11 July has been and gone - how is it all going?
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Waiting to see what punishment they are going to deal out Jax, I can't do anything else until I get it.
First time I tried to tell them was 2003, and approximately one to two times a year, either direct or through MP's and MP, every year between, up until 2007 or 8.
Poor sod gets blown up early April 2009
Its now early Sept 2011, that's well over 8 years since I tried to warn them for the first time and nearly 2 and a half years since the poor sod nearly got killed and this could have been a manslaughter charge.
And even though I was found 95% innocent IN THEIR OWN BIASED COURT, I still have to wait.
You know what I am starting to loose my patience's and am becoming quite irked. ::)
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Still nothing, and I can't do anything until I get a final decision/punishment from them, on one f****ing charge (because the other charge can't exist with out this one charge) so I'm still in limbo, wife and kids living in a caravan, sold my home, worked away for three months and they can't give me a result............................... because then they lose control and it goes to a real court.
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STILL NO PUNISHMENT AS OF 26/10/11, WITH OUT THE PUNISHMENT I CAN'T APPEAL >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D SO MORE LIMBO FOR ME.
APPARENTLY I SHOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR THE BENIFIT OF THE DOUBT I HAVE BEEN SHOWN, THE FACT IT WAS ALL TRUMPED UP AND BOLLOX IS A SIDE ISSUE.
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Badger - this verges on the unbelievable. Surely they have some policies or guidelines about how long this should take. It's enough that you go through the discipline hearing and all that is entailed in that, I would have thought that the PGDB would then make a decision fairly promptly and then inform you of it bloody promptly. They are being unnecessarily cruel in making you wait so long. What recourse do you have? Is there any at all? Do you think it is because they know you are going to appeal, but can't until the formal handing down of the decision? Hang in there - how are the family coping?
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Hey how about this for a stupid idea....
Why dont we federation members pay a small yearly fee into an account so federation members have a law fund that we can use to fight the pgdb and there stupid rulings...after hearing what happned to you badger i would have been glad if we had a fund for people to be able to stand up and challenge the pgdb...heck while were at it why dont we form our own board based on the federations principles of fairness and equality and leadership of logical thought and wisdom sprinkled with a touch of youth with there new ideas and fresh approach to old problems......Aaah dreams are free....
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i'm with you thunder ;D
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Thunder - once the idea of an organisation like the Federation was a dream - dreams can be turned into reality if you want them enough. I think your idea is an excellent one - why not put together some thoughts around a fighting fund and send it to Wal at the Federation. Members can be canvassed and it is not outside the realms of possibiity that a separate account with trustees could be set up for this purpose. It would of course need rules around it to ensure that people's money was being spent wisely and in the spirit of the idea. Send your thoughts through - you've got nothing to lose and everything to gain.
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Thunder, brilliant idea, Jax they are cruel people protected by an act that needs to change, they have hidden behind a non liable position for too long and act accordingly...........untouchable AND incompetent, but protected from any repercussions from their obvious inept actions. ::) ITS SO BLATENT
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Still nothing as of Halloween 2011, a time of ghouls and blood suckers, perhaps they are busy. >:( :o
Apparently is is because one of them is ill, 5 weeks (27th Sept) since they made their decision at the penalty hearing...... but yet to write it down, hope it isn't terminal.....I mean to be ill for 5 weeks must be pretty serious, hope he gets better soon. ;)