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Hi all, did anyone else sit the exam on saturday? What did you think??
Was pretty surprising with the new format of supplying certain codes to refer to..
It seemed a bit easier than previous exams... (this was my first time sitting a craftsman/certifying exam, but I used old exams for study) ...hmm i guess time will tell tho! ::)
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i sat the rego exam on sat and found the same it was nice to have the codes there as this is what happnes in everyday work situations.
And the multi choice questions were well presented...no stupid triangulation drawings...just plain everyday plumbing questions...
One question threw me but...What 5 safety checks should you do before using a manoveriable scaffold?...my first answer: We were never tought this at tech...lol...
Like the auditor general said they should actually be aiming for a 70% pass rate the same as all other tertiary instituations in NZ...if that exam was like previous exams then theres no way i would have passed.
Like i told my boss if i fail it wont be because of the exam!....so im hoping like s**t i pass cus hes got plenty of ammo now...lol
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I think we do have to thank the PGDB for allowing codes in the exam. I know that Hazel Armstrong was particularly perplexed when she learned that the codes were not allowed in exams, after all in everyday work life they are referred to when solving jobs. Plumbers and gasfitters, like lawyers, cannot be expected to have photographic memories and so having access to the codes that are referred to as part of our daily working lives makes sense. Credit where it is due - a good decision by the PGDB (one of a very few!) My staff who sat have all reported that they thought the plumbing registration exam was "fair". Now we just await the results.
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Its really good to hear that you guys found the exam to be good. This will give others the motivation to go and resit if they failed in the past. Maybe all the noise did help in the end! Well done! ;D
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Too right plumber i would say to those thinking of doing it, to stop thinking and just do it...i downloaded the June one and also found it to be reasonable...the changes in these exams were not voluntary...only because of people like yourself and others who gave and still give a damb do we see changes to the way these exams are presented,...So the more noise we can make the faster things will happen for us...I have been mailing Maurice Williamson for about...well ever since i joined this site..lol..when i was looking at the 2007 exam i thought theres no way in hell im going to pass...but after that last exam... now im sort of confident, a quiet confidence but..lol..
Seriously anyone out there thinking of sitting rego now is the time to strike! ;)
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Sitting my gas rego tomorrow morning, looking forwards to it
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good luck man...
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Cheers mate. hope your results turn out good n the 31st of jan!
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has anyone received their results yet , my son sat the certiyfying plumber and is very frustrated at the time it takes for the results to be sent , he is unsure which exam to target next incase he missed the exam , his electrician mate had the results from his exam early January , why do we have to wait so long ?
very frustrating in my opinion
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Hopefully results will be sent out monday.
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This is how competent the board is they state on there site the results will be out AROUND the 31st what a bunch of doofussess! so i tell my clinet yea mate i be there around the 31st...these idiots expect us to be super professional yet there actions speak of incopenteance in volumes look PGDB if your not sure of the date then bloody well push it out to something like this: The results will be sent out in alphabetical order starting on the 7th and all will be posted out within a week!. instead we get this AROUND crap ...tisk tisk again very unprofessional from the board.....All im saying here is if you expect to be the leaders in industry then bloody well lead by example one thing i rearly hate(and pisses me off to no end) is people telling me to do something that they themselvs are not prapared to do first...if i see you the board acting in the uptmost professional manner then i will follow and act accordinaly...just dont keep pushing this CPD crap on me when im already running rings around you in my proffesionlism!...yea my spelling is a bit off but at least i hit the nail on the head EVERY TIME! cus thats my job to GET SHIT RIGHT!!!.
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Jesus christ! Take a chill pill bro! Lifes too short!
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I can sympathise Thunderhead that you are a bit tense waiting for these exams. I have five staff waiting on results too and the tension is palable. I must say that I think the results are very late this year. Usually we see them around the 24th. Not sure what the hold up is, given that there are not huge numbers sitting. Just hoping that you get them in the next day or two.
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hi guys/Thunderhead, wonder where you got that name from?? hope you don`t fail,cheers
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:)well it was worth waiting for , my son got a good pass rate with the 9195 paper , anybody else get good news ?
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well the courier came with great news today :D awesome to (finally) have it!!
hope others got good news too 8)
hopefully the answers will be out soon to see how they marked some of the answers..
and yes, that was a freakin LONG time to get results...
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73% for me. So glad to finally be out of that system and to finally be able to call myself a craftsman ( oh wait i cant, theres no craftsman anymore)
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Big congratulations to your son. None of my lads have gotten their marks yet - still waiting - hopefully today....
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Well results in for all but one of my apprentices. All passed and marks ranged from 64% to 83% - smiling faces all round from the apprentices and the tradesmen who trained them!! ;D
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haha, Worth the wait aswel, Got 76% on my gas rego woop!
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Well done Shoreside!! Now you just have to scrape together the readies to get registered!!!
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hi guys/Thunderhead, wonder where you got that name from?? hope you don`t fail,cheers
HaHa well its sorta like this Thunderhead...S puff puff give give get the jist lmao...ooh and i got a loud opinion on things and other peoples replys never faze me cus that there view and they are fully entitled to it, just like im entitled to my own view of the world...and yea sometimes i do go off the deep end to prove my point but thats just me so either get over it or move on cus i am not gonna change unless proved wrong through solid facts....And im not too worried about my results cus the exam was based on the G12 and G13 codes and as we had both infront of us one would have to be a complete fool not to get a pass mark(haha probablys just shot myself in the foot there lmao)
anyways eargerly awating my results...And i owe most of my knowledge(not book knowledge) about plumbing to my employer and feel lucky he does upmarket plumbing where everything is done correctly to code.
Anyway i stick to my comment if i was in charge of this PGDB it would be run a hell of a lot more proffesional and not a wishy washy yea around so and so i will send...this does not send a proffesional image to anyone AT ALL!
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hi guys/Thunderhead, no offence buddy just seemed to be an appropriate comment after the one from A1, as you say everyone is entitled to their own opinion and i do understand yours, just remember that "you will catch more flys with honey than you will with vinegar" cheers
p.s. if you are worried about spelling there is a spell checker to consult or you can construct your post in `Word`then copy and paste it to the forum(ctrl C then ctrl V)
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cheers robbo no offense taken of course were all in the same boat and i know my mouth can rant and rave from time to time cus thats the way i am...im sitting here for my results at the moment that were sposed to arrive today judging by the phone call i got today from NZ post...but still not here yet boohoo...no worries my steinlager pure has put any end to my worries at the moment lol...and i got over spell checks a long time ago lol cheers anyway i just think as long as others can get the message that i try to convey then its all good...But im a strong beliver that something has to be done about this disaplin fee of a coupple of hundred...its like them saying that they expect us to be brought before the board...and it annoys the heck outa me cus i strive to do everything correctly...and i think why should i pay the board to take others to court when those taken to court should be the ones fitting the bill...this part of the fees should be publicly funded because its there to serv the public it does nothing for us but incriminate us...so im paying the board to oneday incriminate me if i do anything wrong and even then they have to prove this on my back...i just think this is so wrong all those plumbers out there that uphold the codes get stung...this is a service for the public and so should be payed by the public! and when someone is convicted of wrongdoing then they are charged with the cost of the investigation...why should i have to pay for it I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG...I AM INNOCENT. yet i am forced to pay and this in my eyes is wrong...INNOCENT TILL PROVED GUILTY is the saying isnt it? so i pay guilty fees yet i am innocent?...CPD should be held once every three years not every year again this is a crappy way to run things BECAUSE we all know things in the plumbing world dont move so fast so CPD is not needed to be held every year...these people that are ment to be leading us have lost touch with realerty in my view...a common thing that happnes to those at the top...one only has to for example watch undercover boss usa to realise that those at the top ONLY deal with figures and never fully realise the implications there judgements have on the average man. shit too much typing time for a beer...have a good weekend all.
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Good on you thunderhead i agree with everything you said!
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WOOP WOOP ;D got my results today 87% :o ...im over the moon at the moment and in about 3 hours drinking time im gonna be under the moon :P hehehe....now just have to pass the final NZQA exam and can apply for registration...Ooh and a pay rise ;) .
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Well done Thunder, Phew, we can all breath a sign of relief...lol, cheers
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Well done - that is an impressive mark. You can justifiably feel very proud of yourself!
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cheers people but we all know that marks on a pieace of paper means squat on someones ability to do a good tidy job...but it definitley helps some hehehe...ooh crap here i go again!...whilst i was very happy to get the mark that i did get...i was a little lost on the fact that the PGDB is pushing this CPD so hard...yet when i got my paper back i found the questions that i had got wrong had no correct answers pointed out to me...no hint no explaing why i had the wrong answer or where to go to find the correct answer...From the PGDB this is a bit lax i thought because i thought i had the right answer of course...now im missing bits of info which could easerly be righted if only the marker at the time who had the prefect answer infront of them could have passed that info on to me after all isnt that what CPD is all about and by the PGDB helping me to the correct answer they ARE protecting the public by helping me to enhance my knowledge?
I think this would be a great thing for all conserned doing any PGDB exam to if they answer the question incorrectly to be provided the correct answer...NOT to cheat or anything like that BUT to LEARN and to progress in ones CPD!....
It is a good way to do this cus this is where the saying "STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT" applies...
Hows that one robbo hehehe ;D
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hi guys/Thunder, good one much more diplomatic post, the thing is if we express ourselves like "cloth cap yobbo`s" we will be treated the same and ignored so the more diplomatic the better but still getting our point across is the way forward. The reason the board are pushing cpd is to generate more income for themselves, as you realise an information highway is the way forward for all, my idea is an e-mail system that is covered in the cost of our licence where we receive relevant info/new regs/product info etc which we have to acknowledge by a built in return system, this could happen so many times in the licence year and even some multi choice questions that have to be answered. These questions could be used at re-licence time whereby if you have`nt read/answered and returned them ,then you cannot be re-licenced until you have done, seems simple to me the board could contract unitec/open poly or similar to carry out the system that way we would not have to make special trips to training facilities at unsociable/work times and at great cost in time and travel. I am sure that someone in the teaching industry could tailor the perfect system to make everone happy, any thoughts, cheers
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Hi Robbo,
The board does not run or profit from any CPD courses.
All courses are run by independant training providers.
The board just shows a list of courses that are available
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I agree Slick the PGDB are not making money from the courses, but they are collecting money for the courses to be assessed prior to points being awarded and they are making up the administrative framework that requires the courses and the allocation of points. It is not the courses or learning that practitioners do that is at fault here - every practitioner that I have ever met likes to learn NEW things, but not necessarily re-hash things they already know and pay for the privilege of doing so. The current system is flawed - but note I said "system". I am not against upskilling per se, but I am dead against the framework that we are following now. Plumbers, gasfitters and drainlayers have been going to courses for years that have been run by suppliers, they read the Plumbers Journal and attend trade shows. All of this increases their knowledge and makes them better at what they do. Now they are paying astronomical sums to get what they used to get for free because the system requires a reporting and assessing regime that is cumbersome.
Treat practitioners like adults and let them assume a percentage of self monitored learning. Is reading the Plumbers Journal worthy of a point or two - yes it is because it is full of technical knowledge. Is attending a Master Plumber meeting where there is a guest speaker talking on how to install a new product worth points - yes it is, is attending a seminar at the merchants worthy of points - yes it is - but you get no points for any of these because the system does not allow it. We need a system where we can log on and record our own learning.
The PGDB are going to "consult" us yet again - this year on competency based licensing and upskilling. We need to be strong in our voice - and we need to be clear when we are criticised for being against upskilling - that it is not upskilling that we are against, but the system and packaging of it - and the cost incurred to our business in time and money because of it.
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hi guys/jax, you are preaching to the converted here. Another consultation, they can stick it where the sun don`t shine they only run consultations because it`s a delaying tactic and they know that not everyone will take part, they construct the consultation to reflect what they want to happen, the fact of the matter is what they want us to do is to time consuming and to costly,what they are making us do is fund a massive training organisation that employs lots of people and benifits us guys very little,cheers
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hi guys/Thunder, good one much more diplomatic post, the thing is if we express ourselves like "cloth cap yobbo`s" we will be treated the same and ignored so the more diplomatic the better but still getting our point across is the way forward. The reason the board are pushing cpd is to generate more income for themselves, as you realise an information highway is the way forward for all, my idea is an e-mail system that is covered in the cost of our licence where we receive relevant info/new regs/product info etc which we have to acknowledge by a built in return system, this could happen so many times in the licence year and even some multi choice questions that have to be answered. These questions could be used at re-licence time whereby if you have`nt read/answered and returned them ,then you cannot be re-licenced until you have done, seems simple to me the board could contract unitec/open poly or similar to carry out the system that way we would not have to make special trips to training facilities at unsociable/work times and at great cost in time and travel. I am sure that someone in the teaching industry could tailor the perfect system to make everone happy, any thoughts, cheers
This is a very good idea robbo because this allows everyone to be on the same page in CPD development and this allows the PGDB to acess the level of knowledge across the board on praticular issues or codes and gives them an understanding on where to focus there next years CPD questioneers...so we should drop the totaly wrong displinary fees and replace it with CPD fees...this i can see working very well and i would be totaly happy to pay this fee. but i will NEVER be happy to pay a guilty fee(displinary levey) cus im innocent till proved guilty!.
Thats a bloody good idea robbo.
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hi guys/Thunder, slick and jax did`nt like it but hey nothing will probably change anyway,cheers
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Hi Robbo good post #29 I would disagree a teacher could come up with something to make everybody happy , what you say though makes good sense to me , lets hope the board have someone who follows these posts and at least give it some consideration , maybe send this idea to the board :)
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hi guys,thanks Thunder/Peasea, it is food for thought, peasea what i actually said was:
I am sure that someone in the teaching industry could tailor the perfect system to make everone happy meaning anyone not a teacher exactly or for them to make up the content, just a system that would work, cheers
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hi guys/jax, In our view, consultation using an options paper does not meet the requirements of section
33(1). In the decision in Wellington International Airport v Air New Zealand [1993] 1 NZLR
671, 676 the Court of Appeal said that for consultation to be meaningful, there must be
made available to the other party sufficient information to enable it to be adequately
informed to make intelligent and useful responses. An options paper cannot be said to
amount to meaningful consultation about the “proposal for the contents of the notice”.
this was the finding of the review committee,cheers
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And an awesome outcome from the Regulations Review Committee - now we just have to wait to see what Parliament does with the report and also what the PGDB will say in response. Well done to the Federation for this momentous decision.