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Title: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: Plumber on September 06, 2008, 01:12:45 PM
Plumbers.co.nz recommends that you study and know your material before you sit an exam. Downloading and memorizing answers will not make you a better trades person. Its not only in your interest but also in the interest of those you work for to be competent. This involves both knowledge and experience, not only experience. We provide previous exams to help you with your studies. Note that registration and Craftsman exams change every time and there is no guarantee the questions you have learned for will actually be asked! We have provided this platform to support you with any concerns you might have. Post any Exam related question and you will receive a reliable answer.  ;)
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: Dot Jones on September 06, 2008, 01:52:57 PM
I am studying a Kitchen design course and it has some plumbing questions in it  that I can't seem to find the answers too, so thought I would contact you.

1. The reticulation to the kitchen sink is normally acvhieved using what size pipes?

2.What is NZS5261: 2003 and How does it effect kitchen design?

Can anyone Help please?

Cheers Dot ::)
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: Plumber on September 06, 2008, 10:53:46 PM
The reticulation to the kitchen sink is achieved via a 15mm pipe. This can change depending on what pipe materiel is used. For example copper would be 15mm OD (outside diameter).

NZS5261: 2003 is the New Zealand code or New Zealand Standard of gas installations. This Standard contains the mandatory requirements and means of compliance for the design, installation and commissioning of gas installations that are associated with the use or intended use of gases. In other words its a book with guidelines that gasfitters work by. The purpose of this standard is to set out means by which gas installations: 1) protect people from fire, explosions, oxygen depletion, noxious gases and other injury. 2) protect Property from damage.

Its also important for kitchen designers to work by this standard because many kitchens incorporate a gas hob and/or gas oven  (or other appliances). So clearances must be met, provision must be made to protect combustible surfaces etc.  ;)

Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: goldy on October 07, 2008, 08:49:29 PM
Dose anyone else think that a heat pumps internal workings should not be a point of examination in plumbing registration exams.
Any thoughts?
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: termite on October 08, 2008, 08:06:38 PM
Yeah i think the internal workings need to be omitted from exams, you really only need as a plumber to know the sanitary requirements for condensate.....especially wen no mention of an evaporator or capilliary tube in Doyles.....how about the average of last plumbing reg being 42%........13.5% people passed.
How about 21 marks on pumps compared to 4 on Sanitary plumbing. None on AsNzs3500....joke
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: termite on October 08, 2008, 08:12:11 PM
Also of note.....the plumbing reg exam is not based on any one publication.......so if ya tutors are saying that Doyles are the bible....think again......BS
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: hefzibah on October 11, 2008, 04:36:12 PM
does anyone out there have the answers for craft a ,b and c papers before those gits in the pgdb decided to remove them. If  people need the gas & plum reg exam answers i can forward them
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: Plumber on October 13, 2008, 06:32:39 PM
We will post a few craftsman exams very soon. Click here for available exams http://plumbers.co.nz/forum/index.php?board=12.0 (http://plumbers.co.nz/forum/index.php?board=12.0). If you have any previous exams, it would be great if you could make them available to support the forum ;)
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: Tha Kurto on October 28, 2008, 04:03:47 PM
Have you got any tips for studying for the registration exams? i.e what to study.
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: Plumber on October 29, 2008, 03:59:55 PM
If you have no materiel to study with I would strongly recommend to register for a short refresher course at Unitec. They are affordable and even if you don't go to class the material they send you is wourth gold. Here is the link http://www.unitec.ac.nz/?96277A04-8B1B-476F-8A91-BFEA7E9A03F0 (http://www.unitec.ac.nz/?96277A04-8B1B-476F-8A91-BFEA7E9A03F0)  ;D
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: goldy on October 30, 2008, 09:05:58 PM
Regarding pass rate in June plumbers registration exam 2008:

If pass rate was only 13.5% with an average of 42% then shouldn't the ITO,WelTec and the PGDB be looking very hard at there training/teaching and examination methods and trying to figure out what's gone wrong with the system?
A pass rate that low comes back to poor teaching methods!And far to broard an examination feild
It's fine to throw a heap of information at someone and say "there ya go son read that and you'll be laughing",But.. what about the plumbers out there that struggle with the uptake of this sort of knowledge and don't learn well like this?I know some awsome plumbers that just can't hold all that infomation and refer to codes whilst working.
The polytechs seem to be doing a good job but even though apprentice fees have gone from $1600 to $5500 in the last 5 years there still getting there teaching time cut back by the ITO.

After completing our stage three block course at WelTec,On the last day before the gas exam we where informed that at Weltec they are only granted enough time to teach 60% of what we need to know to pass the gas exam!!!!!!!
Good to hear,Cheers ITO.

Why not change the exam process to include a regulations exam covering g12 g13 e1 e2 as3500 etc etc open book same as the electricians and then another exam closed book on plumbing trade science etc etc.
This is not the same industry as it was 20 years ago the amount of knowledge required now is not even comparable to back then.

So come on PGDB and ITO wake your ideas up and start listening!
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: beatoff on November 05, 2008, 01:15:12 AM
maybe they should send new apprentices to university for a year and turn this into a degree. i think you need to be immersed in the culture of studying to pass an exam like this. we are like amateur sports people where they train twice a week compared to professionals where they train full time. we study part time and uni students study full time. this exam is like a club player trying to play in a super 12 game for us. any ideas why those geezers on the board cant see this?
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: plumb_r on November 07, 2008, 01:04:48 PM
hey to anyone sitting the exams i have found a link to the plumbers, gasfitters,drainlayers act 2006 which some questions will be asked in the exams
 click on this link
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2006/0074/latest/viewpdf.aspx (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2006/0074/latest/viewpdf.aspx)
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: GuyIncognito on November 07, 2008, 06:28:27 PM
Cheers for that link. Some helpfull stuff
Title: EXAMs
Post by: termite on November 09, 2008, 08:10:04 AM
in regards to the exams, they are external exams set by the board and as with any external exams, ie nursing you are always going to get disparity within the questions.  As for Ito and other training orgs.....wen i first signed up for my apprenticeship i was told ya finish your assignments ya go on a block course.  y then does there exist a number of people on those courses that have not completed there assignments.  When i finished my stage 3s i was told recently that i have to wait for my block after new year.......... but the exams specially the plumbing....madness the amount of study you have to do codes including...G12, G13, G1, E1, G14, G10, AS/NZS3500, The PGDB Act, did i miss any? then you have H+S, and all manor of other things to study.....its pretty ominus.....did any one sit the recent plumbing exam? how did you find it? 
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: termite on November 14, 2008, 10:24:14 AM
good morning question.  wts the UEL and LEL for Nat gas and LPG?
puffet and hossack

                      table 27.2 states
           
                     LPG          2.5% LEL 9.5% UEL
                     Nat GAS    5.0% LEL 14% UEL


                      WEltech Assignments state
                      LPG          1.6% LEL 7.8% UEL
                      NAT         5.0% LEL  15% UEL

                     2005 Exam Gas
     
                      LPG          2.0% LEL 10% UEL

wts the answear? I rang a tutor he said depends on make up of gas (properties) which is correct
but that doesnt help in an exam wen they want the limits (2 marks) i know not much nut if you get 58% u will be spewing............got exam tommorow help....ta
                     
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: Plumber on November 14, 2008, 12:25:01 PM
I looked up Applied Technology (by Garry Cruickshank and Peter Shapcott)
from unitec and it states natural gas having 5% LEL 14% UEL

and the 2003 exam states it having           5% LEL 15% UEL

The same book mentioned above states Natural gas having a heat value of 40MJ/m3 and LPG having a heat value of 102 MJ/m3.

But when looking into NZS 5261 on page 137 you will find NG HHV 38 and LPG HHV 96.

The little footnote under the graph states " These graphs give adequate results for gases whose higher value and relative density are within +/- 15% of these values."

You can see how this statement could also apply when it comes to the UEL and LEL of a gas.

If your not sure what value to use, you could always note the range for example. LPG 1.6%-2.5% LEL and 7.8%-10% UEL.

hope that helps.

Please note that the advice I am giving is only my opinion and not necessarily a fact. Plumbers.co.nz will not take any responsibility for applying advice from this forum. Please refer to our terms and conditions.  


                                                                                                         
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: termite on November 14, 2008, 02:22:48 PM
thanks for that,

i guess no one really knows the exact number....bit harsh wen its in the exam answears from the board, but doesnt match to the study material provided from Tech and the puffet/hosack blue text book.  but must remember the exams are not based on any one publication, puffet/hosack are australians as well. so if you havent got the secret PGDB text book you are out of luck......whats up with that.....

By the way, nice no responsibility clause as well...
cheers

  :D
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: Roy on November 30, 2008, 01:19:41 PM
To anyone sitting plumbing registration exams i reccomend studying the following in order of importance;

1. Remember all the answers to previous exams word for word, particularly exams from 3-5 years prior.
2. Read Doyles book 1 sections Safety, Trade Science, and Welding and all of Doyles book 2 numerous times to gain a good overview of some of the more less known parts of plumbing.
3. Download and remember the objectives, functional requirements and performance criteria (on the second page) and the definitions of the codes E1, E2, B1, B2, G12, G13. Exams have heaps of definitions from these codes.
4. Study G12 and G13, remember measurements of wastes, vents and pipe sizes, supports etc. Remember everything about hot water cylinders and systems. Get new G12 with solar section (could be in upcoming exams).
5. Study the Act and licensing information from the PGDB website.
6. Study As3500 but only to get an understanding, often specific details are not included in the exam. The BRANZ book is excellent for this.
7. Practise technical drawing (Unitec module) and equations. Also practise drawings from previous exams.+
8. Print out previous exams and practise sitting them (close to exam time) after you have studied and remembered the answers. Writing the answers down will help.

Start studying a few months before the exam at least twice a week. Get all your study materials together first and write down what you are going to study and when you will study. Get a couple of exercise books and take brief notes of what you think is important. Do the refresher course at UNITEC but only as a final preparation, the real study should happen long before that. Success doesn't depend on how smart you are but how many hours you study for. In the last 2 or 3 weeks you should study every night. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: heatsol on February 09, 2010, 10:05:28 PM
Hi Guys
Totally agree with plumbers first post, do not agree with goldy's post. I work for a trainig provider as a tutor, you have to remember that ITO have now dropped the total learning time to 11 weeks, thats nuts!!. There is no way we (as training providers) can teach you everything!
Title: Re: YOU MUST STUDY BEFORE YOU SIT YOUR EXAM
Post by: spud on June 07, 2010, 07:25:42 PM
There is actually nothing in the craftsman common exam that will make you a bettter plumber. Its all absolute rubbish. We spent an hour in my last night class learning how to write a sentence and where the nouns and the adjectives go.
The sooner they get rid of this absolute nonsense the better. And how many plumbers out there do air conditioning? There's a large section in the common exam about this and its not even part of our trade.
Its no wonder so many of us are leaving for Australia. This exam is actually ruining the plumbing industry in New Zealand as all the good plumbers get so pissed off they go to oZ and we are left with the immigrants who come here and cant talk English. I spose its good for the big companies though...less Craftsmen out there to compete for their business.