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Title: Who wants to sign this one off
Post by: Plumber on June 13, 2014, 09:43:23 AM
Even the electrician that found this and took the picture knew what was wrong  ???.. Shocker
Title: Re: Who wants to sign this one off
Post by: Jaxcat on June 14, 2014, 09:15:31 PM
I assume you reported this to the PGDB?
Title: Re: Who wants to sign this one off
Post by: Watchdog on June 15, 2014, 11:01:51 AM
The Board will be too busy figuring out how to take the next lot of money off practitioners and chasing home handy men for changing toilet seats.
Title: Re: Who wants to sign this one off
Post by: aboutgas on June 15, 2014, 12:57:15 PM
I wouldn't waste my time with the PGDB after reporting a infinity installed by a rinnai agent  ??? 300mm below not 1 but 2 opening window and the customers complaining of fumes in the house and the board has done squat nil nada. Complete waste of time
Title: Re: Who wants to sign this one off
Post by: Plumber on June 16, 2014, 07:25:42 PM
Have not reported it yet, now your making me curios :) I Might actually report it to see what the board does.
Title: Re: Who wants to sign this one off
Post by: robbo on June 17, 2014, 09:32:53 AM
hi guys/Plumber, yes do send a massage to the board about this one and ask for their advice on certification,cheers
Title: Re: Who wants to sign this one off
Post by: Jaxcat on June 17, 2014, 09:45:57 AM
We did report one really bad job and I have to say I was impressed with the speed of the response.  We send a 9 page document to the Board showing photos, an indepth description of the installation, test results, a pic of the website of the guy who did the job, a lot of details on what we thought was wrong.  We sent it by email at about 7pm at night and the Board had someone on site by 9am the next morning.  A prosecution was taken against a non tradesman for the work and he was fined I think $3k but was already serving time in her Majesty's prison, so don't know if the fine was ever paid.  The customer in this case had paid top dollar for a job that was done by someone who was not a gasfitter but who was employed by a firm that advertise "panting, plastering, decorating, plumbing, gasfitting etc etc" you know the one stop shop - we do it all.  He had got a person from a temp agency who he said told him this guy was a gasfitter.

It is always worth reporting these things - while I don't agree with everything the PGDB does in regards to fees and their attitude to some things - we can't let work like this go unreported - it does our reputations no good - and quite frankly why should people get away with work like this?  It makes us all look shoddy.

What the Board want is details when you report - as much information as you can give - name, address, photos etc all help.
Title: Re: Who wants to sign this one off
Post by: aboutgas on June 17, 2014, 08:48:10 PM
Hi Jaxcat report to the board was similar content to the 9 page one sent. I checked with the customers 2 weeks ago and they had a heard from the board who said they weren't taking it any further  :o and apparently advised them not to have those windows open when using the infinity  :'( :'(

Pic attached
Title: Re: Who wants to sign this one off
Post by: Jaxcat on June 17, 2014, 10:34:54 PM
So what were the actual measurements from the window then?  Badger will blow a gasket when he reads this.
Title: Re: Who wants to sign this one off
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2014, 06:53:06 AM
I left it 540mm with a tech note and a further British Standard, and they went me big time.....is this guy a Master Plumber by chance? got any written proof mate?

Its blatant favouritism and nepotism.

Title: Re: Who wants to sign this one off
Post by: robbo on June 18, 2014, 09:41:18 AM
hi guys, yes Badger could it be a mate`s work,cheers
Title: Re: Who wants to sign this one off
Post by: aboutgas on June 18, 2014, 05:46:22 PM
The measurement from flue to window is 420mm Badger have a chat to Wal he has details 
Title: Re: Who wants to sign this one off
Post by: Plumber on June 24, 2014, 10:06:42 AM
Here's an interesting thought. The first image above represents several issues, the Rinnai is too close to the window and the 9KG is obviously to close to a source of ignition (this was because the provider refused to install the bottles and reported the installation to the PGDB). I spoke to the electrician which in return spoke to the clients gasfitter and he says the installation complies pointing to the diagram on page 153 of NZBC 5261. He raised the appliance 500mm above the bottles which puts it outside the required clearance making it acceptable. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Who wants to sign this one off
Post by: Jaxcat on June 24, 2014, 03:12:34 PM
Just a question - is the LPG provider happy to swap the bottles out while the set up is like this?  I wouldn't have thought so.  I can't see well enough - but is there any strapping on the 9 kg? 
Title: Re: Who wants to sign this one off
Post by: Plumber on June 24, 2014, 04:07:58 PM
Nope the provider is not happy swapping the bottles, they pointed out that the Rinnai was to close to the bottles and window so the gas-fitter came back and lifted it up by 50mm into the "approved" zone. I'm not sure whether they are happy now. The 9KG is not strapped.
Title: Re: Who wants to sign this one off
Post by: Jaxcat on June 24, 2014, 08:04:09 PM
I think it should be reported.  It's dangerous in my opinion.  If we don't report things like this we can't moan that the Board don't act.  If we do report it and they don't do anything, then I think we can moan LOUDLY.  This sort of work gives good gasfitters a bad name.  Hell, if a job is worth doing, it's worth doing properly.  Don't do shit like this and call yourself a tradesman.  It beggars belief.  Doesn't the owner wonder why the LPG people won't swap out the bottles?  Surely they want a safe job for themselves and their family?
Title: Re: Who wants to sign this one off
Post by: Plumber on June 24, 2014, 08:09:30 PM
My understanding this was reported by the provider. I agree with what you are saying 100%. Will try to get some updates on this.