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Title: How much is a life worth?
Post by: wombles on April 05, 2014, 04:39:41 PM
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11232289

It will be very interesting to see the outcome of this trial and whether the homeowners punishment is as severe as those handed down by the Board for seemingly minor infringements.  The courts certainly don't seem to punish people as severely as the Board.
Title: Re: How much is a life worth?
Post by: wombles on June 25, 2014, 07:51:08 AM
Sentencing due today. Keep you eyes peeled on the Northern Advocate
Title: Re: How much is a life worth?
Post by: robbo on June 25, 2014, 04:54:38 PM
hi guys, sentence was, 6 months home detention plus $5k fine,  makes that cylinder strap fine look expensive as it was easy to fix, can`t bring that person back to life!!! cheers
Title: Re: How much is a life worth?
Post by: wombles on June 25, 2014, 05:50:34 PM
This sentence makes a complete mockery of our judicial system. The Board hands down tougher fines for forgetting a bit of lagging.  Surely an inquiry into the inconsistencies is required?
Title: Re: How much is a life worth?
Post by: robbo on June 25, 2014, 05:54:59 PM
hi guys, apparently this guy (landlord) was a `Drainlayer`cheers
Title: Re: How much is a life worth?
Post by: bowtieboy on June 25, 2014, 07:53:34 PM
bloody disgusting >:( the guy should have been done for manslaughter !
who sold him the cooker?, the parts to hook it up? are they getting done too? bet they are not!
come on pgdb, pull finger and do something!
like
1, public campaign that gas must be done by a real gas fitter with a licence! and no other person!
2, make retailers aware of THEIR responsibilities when selling components for gas appliances to the public
3, make retailers of gas appliance's aware of their liability when selling a appliance

This is where I get pist off, I am paying pgdb to do a job and they are not doing it!
you got nearly 600 of my hard earned dollars and I expect to see it used wisely !
get off your fat butts and show us your doing something pgdb!!!! >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: How much is a life worth?
Post by: Badger on June 25, 2014, 08:27:26 PM
You got to remember the Board pick who to go after, there is no blind justice where everyone gets treated the same, its a lucky tombola and a tool to take out people they want to go after, nothing more.

I have heard a shocking story of an elderly couple ignored in laying a complaint, then possibly leaned on to withdraw the complaint by the service agent/installer and are now on anti stress medication. What sort of world are we building?


What's this guys connections? Why hasn't the Board got involved?
Title: Re: How much is a life worth?
Post by: Badger on June 25, 2014, 09:04:42 PM
A quick copy and paste session on the tinternet............I wonder?????????


A Whangarei landlord has been sentenced to six months home detention for illegally installing a gas cooker that resulted in the death of a 19-year-old woman.

Lesley Wehi-Jack was killed on Waitangi Day last year when a faulty, leaking gas cooker caused an explosion which engulfed her house in flames.

She died later from her burns.

Peter McLeod had personally installed a gas cooker into the Ruakaka house before renting it to Ms Wehi-Jack in February 2013.

By law, a gas cooker must be installed by a licensed gasfitter.

McLeod pleaded guilty for failing to ensure the safety of the cooker's installation, and was sentenced at the Whangarei District Court today to six months home detention and ordered to pay reparations of $5000.

Energy Safety manager Mark Wogan said Ms Wehi-Jack's death was completely avoidable, and it was Mr McLeod's responsibility to ensure the house was safe to live in.

"Peter McLeod is a registered drainlayer. He knew that the work should have been done by a gasfitter."

Mr Wogan urged landlords and property owners to ensure all gas and electrical installations were perfectly safe, and to always use competent and licensed people to install, check and maintain the

 

 

 

 

The members of the Building Practitioners Board are:

*       Alan Bickers (Chairperson)

*       Paul Blackler


*       David Clark


*       Jane Cuming


*       Patrick Lawrence


*       Graham Moor


*       David O'Connell


*       Colin Orchiston.


*       The Department employs the Registrar for the Board.

Electrical Workers Registration Board
The Electrical Workers Registration Board comprises seven members all of whom are appointed by the Minister for Building and Construction under the Electricity Act 1992, for a term of up to three years. Members can be reappointed. Five members must be registered or entitled to be registered, and two lay persons must not be registered or entitled to be registered.

The functions of the Electrical Workers Registration Board are to:



*       ensure registered persons maintain an adequate level of competency

*       exercise disciplinary power according to the Act and initiate prosecutions for contravention of the Act in cases where the Board considers appropriate.

Complaints Assessment Committees are convened to hear complaints. Complaints Assessment Committees are appointed from a list of members who have been approved by the Minister. Members may be appointed for a term of up to five years.

The members of the Electrical Workers Registration Board are:


*       Donald Pryde


*       Neil McLeod


*       Michael Macklin


*       Edwin Eeles (Presiding Member)


*       Penelope Mudford (Deputy Presiding Member)


*       David Bradshaw


*       Stephen Albrecht.


*       



Board members
Neil McLeod (Presiding Member)
Neil McLeod

Mr McLeod is a self employed registered electrical contractor with a current knowledge of the electrical sector. He was a councillor on the Whangarei District Council from 1998 until 2005 serving on a number of committees including the judicial committee.

Title: Re: How much is a life worth?
Post by: Badger on June 25, 2014, 09:16:49 PM
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11281615

http://www.ewrb.govt.nz/about-the-board/board-members/

http://www.dbh.govt.nz/annual-report-2008-09-06



Look it up for yourselvesbit of a co-incidence, eh?
Title: Re: How much is a life worth?
Post by: Badger on June 25, 2014, 09:23:22 PM
you got to scroll down a bit on each of the links
Title: Re: How much is a life worth?
Post by: robbo on June 26, 2014, 09:18:29 AM
hi guys, is there a connection in those names to the person who did the gasfitting? although there are same names are they related? cheers
Title: Re: How much is a life worth?
Post by: robbo on June 26, 2014, 09:24:46 AM
hi guys, what was the boards involvement in this case? if no involvement then what is the purpose of the fees they charge us, cheers
Title: Re: How much is a life worth?
Post by: Badger on June 26, 2014, 05:49:26 PM
All I am saying is I think it is coincidental, same uncommon name, same place.

Have a read of the latest info brief, look at the "evidence required" page and the amount someone got fined for potentially being a problem.



I just can't get my head around it. After you have seen what I have seen and been subjected to.....well you tend to consider the worst.
Title: Re: How much is a life worth?
Post by: Enn on June 26, 2014, 09:34:57 PM
The tragic thing here is that a young person was killed as the result of a  unsafe gas installation.
 the chap responsible has to live with the consequences of his actions as do the family.
This does bring the D.I.Y  problem up for  serious attention. It will be interesting to see the E.S.S take on this.

 
The issues of direct conflict of interest, favouritism  ,cronyism, old boys club, whatever you call it along with differences of  judgment imposed by the courts are issues that have to be put in the spotlight for examination and here lies a opportunity for the Federation along with others to lobby for change, with a positive outcome one would hope....
Title: Re: How much is a life worth?
Post by: Badger on June 27, 2014, 06:50:55 AM
Totally Enn, I couldn't agree more, what a bad avoidable situation.


When you have a regulatory Board who has issued full certifying licences to untrained inexperienced people who have sat no apprenticeships, let off the same people for nearly killing some one in an explosion, are willing to make a scapegoat of innocent people. Are willing to ignore complaints from customers. What message does this send people? People are going to be willing to have a go at gasfitting.

There is no respect for the trade as its is shown no respect by the Board, I mean if they are willing to hand out licences to anyone....how hard can it be?

Remember the explosion that ruined my life....no one held responsible to this day.....perhaps if this guy had heard that the person the Board are protecting for this explosion, had been properly dealt with....he might have thought twice before having a go.

Still an innocent poor young girl, someone's daughter, is tragically gone and the guy who thought he would have a go life's in tatters, too many lives are effected by all this.........the Board do nothing but cover for their cronies.


Why haven't the Board got involved? Why do they ignore some complaints? 
Title: Re: How much is a life worth?
Post by: wombles on June 27, 2014, 08:28:41 AM
One thing is pretty obvious to me, if the board has a go at you and  you defend it in Court, you end up with a much lesser fine than one the Board would have imposed.
Title: Re: How much is a life worth?
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2014, 09:31:58 PM
FYI, it is heart wrenching, why isn't this on main stream TV?

http://www.maoritelevision.com/news/national/native-affairs-lesleys-legacy


Has the Board done anything about this?