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Question of the Week. Are you sick of funding organisations you don't see any return for.
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Its Shocking. Our numbers are dropping
Campbell Live. What a show and well done to those who stood up to be counted.
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Keep the information coming Wal.
You may think you're not getting any responces but it's just that most of us are in shock of some of the shit you are exposing. I can't get over some of these figures. How can we be putting so much into a regulatory body that is taking us backwards?
How thick is the government for not taking action?. They go on about increasing productivity and shit like that but all they do is create more costs.
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I really enjoy the weekly issues, but I get so pist off with the reality of it, that I cant stop thinking about it all day, >:(
as if I haven't got enough to worry about every day with the 1 july bs !! coming
It would be so easy to not coc any gas jobs and who will know? ... I am one who does not like change, but change for the worse??? that's even more bs than the average competent gas fitter can swallow.
Can anyone tell me who the idiot is that came up with this new bs?
All I can see is the cowboys making MORE money, and getting away with it....very frustrating, its like they have given anyone the licence to print their own money....
think about this...
knock knock, hi I am a gas fitter...cool mate, come in and fit me a heater,..... no worries bud.....there ya go....wow cool algud,
here is ya cash. ::)
well thank you and here is a piece of paper I made on my computer that is totally worthless and I will charge you a fee for that your local ta will think is important and now I will disappear!.....
any one think that wont happen??? >:( >:( >:(
good one pgdb!!! :'(
tomorrow I could call myself flip flop gas co and write up a coc, bill some poor sole and walk away with cold hard cash thanks to this new legislation... >:(
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The "people" that came up with this idea were the Department of Building and Housing. There were several people involved - all suits - and very, very little consultation was done with tradespeople (gasfitters OR electricians). Meetings were held but they were at times like 9am in Wellington - full of suits - people from DBH, ESS, consumer bodies, consultants, energy suppliers, the PGDB sent someone, Master Plumbers had someone there, but essentially the guys in polo shirts and shorts weren't anywhere to be seen. There was a lot of stuff on DBH website, but it was buried where the average practitioner wouldn't see it.
The whole thing has been a bad joke and is not in the interest of practitioners, the public or the regulators of either industry. I'm pretty sure the project leader was a Ms Judith Burney, but I stand to be corrected. I know there were emails galore circulating about the sort of things that would happen if this thing progressed.
Talk about baby being thrown out with the bath water. The existing system was reasonably transparent, accessible and cost effective. This system is a bloody joke. Days out from it all hardly anyone seems to have a clue. I predict very little "certified" gasfitting will take place in July.
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one question - who created the authority and/or mandate for it to be changed?
is this a central govco thing or a pgdb thing?
if the pgdb had any sort of nous or initiative and genuinely cared for the safety of the public then this is the one thing they would be all over and TBH i wouldn't mind them enforcing as law as a condition of licensing or such like.
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We went from inspectors (high lighting problems on site at the time of install before anyone even turns it on)....
Then to a registered cert on an accessible/ monitored data base of self certification (high lighting problems on random audit) .......
Then to a "make your own up on a printer and write and store your own certificate system" (highlighting problems on the size of the explosion crater/number of people with CO poisoning)......
This new system will only highlight a problem AFTER an incident.....they are going from stopping someone at the top of the cliff, to being an ambulance at the bottom of a cliff and now finally changing the mode of transport to a hearse....at the bottom of the cliff.......
Look at this new system, then add all the short comings and dodgy shit to it.....can some one tell me why these clowns are still telling us we are incompetent and constant need up-skilling???
Why is no one, other than the Feds, doing anything about this bullshit?
Bring back inspectors and sensible safety precautions...this new system is all about accountability....after an incident....
Surely it is better to prevent a problem......
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Hi guys,
(Bring back inspectors and sensible safety precautions..this new system are all about accountability..after an incident)
Exactly Badger, as long as there is no govt/council involvement (costs, accountability) we don`t care if people die as long as we can nail someone else for the responsibility, cheers
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You can see them planning it in some back room.........
......we'll let them think they are being empowered and the stupid dicks will pay for the system AND take all the responsibility.....
If the intention was to protect the public how did we get here?
Its all about running a no cost (to them) no responsibility (to them) system......nothing more, nothing less.....
And as my situation highlights all the responsibility on the tradesman, whether you did anything wrong or not. Just looking to blame someone for THEIR short comings.......nice.
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Evening all,
i think I sort of kind of know what to do as of Monday, I hope, ??? ??? ??? ???
the nice lady at energy safety was very good on the phone today with my long list of questions including how to log on after 3 times of my attempts failed!! and thanks to the nice lady that I spoke to I sort of kind of know what is maybe high risk work that I have to input data on their web site... I think.. ??? ??? ??? ???
so... I have worked out exactly what time and work I will need to do to comply, I will be charging twice the amount I was under the old system, thanks to the extra time I will need to complete the extra paperwork and time on the computer. >:( >:( >:( >:(.
Thanks again pgdb! >:( >:( >:( >:(
and I will be informing every customer I encounter all about it. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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More mines for their field