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Well Parliamentary TV was riveting tonight - the second reading saw the Board get an absolute caning for incompetence, illegality, and just plain bad management. Flip flop Williamson didn't come out smelling of roses either. Maryan Street gave a very passionate speech - and finally someone pulled Williamson up for his outright lies in the house last week. She read an email from Pizza Hutt's Operations Manager denying any explosion at a Pizza Hut in Nelson, and then she went on to speak about the Fish and Chip shop explosion and how no one has ever been charged. She talked about the appalling and corrupt behaviour of the Board in this investigation - finally people are listening to Paul Gee and he may get some traction at the highest levels. Goodness knows its taken long enough - his case was mentioned a few times by various politicians - and it certainly didn't paint the Board in a good light. Labour, the Greens, Brendan Horan, Mana and the Maori Party all opposed the Bill - Peter Dunne, National and Act voted for it - so it passed the second reading by 61 votes to 60. C'mon people - we need to zero in on Peter Dunne and the sole Act vote and ensure they understand what the plumbers, gasfitters and drainlayers want. These people want your votes, well let them know you want their support. Peter Dunne's support of this bill is very disappointing - especially as the Minister of Revenue when he knows all about the lawful collecting of monies. The Charitable status of the Board was also bought up in the House tonight - all brilliant. I'll bet those Board members won't be telling anyone what they do for a job - I sure as hell wouldn't after the roasting they got tonight. MP's talked about the many emails and telephone calls they had received from the industry - so Williamson and his accusations about a small group of malcontents can stick that in a pipe and smoke it. He has been proven to be misinformed, and wanting. Tonight was good. But the fight continues. Fire up those computers and get emailing Dunne and Act.
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hi guys, well said Jax yes Maurice Williamson got a good slagging i think the only way out of it is if he sacks the whole board and admits that he did not know what was going on. I was surprised when Mallard commented that he had been lobbied by Williamson but now realizes how ignorant of the whole affair he had been, so consequently after so much information had been sent in he slammed the bill and made it clear that labour would not be supporting it. Can`t see Banks voting for us he`s still making up brownie points. If only we could get damming information of the Board with proof of their incompetance to every M.P. maybe they will see that the Board has to go, i,m sure that there will an inquiry after it is all over. Not to sure about Holly Walker, she basically wanted to keep the fees going, no green vote for me,cheers
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http://inthehouse.co.nz/node/18161. for your viewing pleasure.
Trying to warn about some dodgy cunt who had good connections....my business
Standing my ground and fighting trumped up charges......my house
Not letting up and seeing it through.......time with my lads
Watching the Corrupt Bastards at the Board being called corrupt and having my case heard about in Parliament, watching it with my girl (who stood by me shoulder to shoulder, even when I was being a dick)...........f****in priceless.........
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Sorry for lowering the tone guys but I am from South Wales and am a trifle emotional, best day in ages, that you all who helped out....GO THE FEDS!!!
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That's meant to read "thank you all who helped out"...... not that you all......its ok I've calmed down now......cheers Guys
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Hi guys, a partial (99.9%) victory don`t know how we can improve on that. In lots of ways Minister Williamson shot himself in the foot and actually helped our cause because he has allowed us to educate the whole of Parliament about the Boards very short comings. The Federation got a mention of being the organisation with the most membership after only 2 years of existence that in itself proving the competence of Wal and his very able team. If this Bill does get passed then surely when Labour is next in power it will want to sort the Board out and maybe change the ruling? Trevor Mallard gave Williamson a good roasting even bringing up his past record of other bills that he had successfully cocked up and admitting that he himself was ignorant of the board`s failings until a barrage of emails landed on his desk. Well done all who sent emails to these politicians as it has proved that we are not just a bunch of `cloth cap yobbos` but a responsible group of skilled trades people who know how to stick up for ourselves in a legal manner,cheers
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well i watched it all, could not believe that anyone regardless of political standing could not see through the misgivings of he board enough to vote against, Also seems to me that a lot of other issues regarding he board are just around the corner, maybe the next bill the board are gunning for to be able to crucify anyone without good reason will bring it all on?
National have lost my vote and my families.I did email my MP , but surprise..... got no response. No wonder people dont bother to vote.
The whole thing pen and inks............
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After listening to all the MP's yesterday, I am surprised that they all seem to think it's OK for a few registered people to be levied to prosecute the non registered. None of them have taken exception to this despite no other industry group being subject to this . Any thoughts on this?
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Wombles, they think its for our [plumbers/Gassies/Drainies] benefit to rid the industry of so called cowboys, so they imply its fair we fund it.
I say its the whole country that benefits if you want to take the health and safety line.
Health and safety starts with honesty, truth and transphericy and having backing of the industry.
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You can see they can't grasp it when they talk about unregistered "practitioners" - well they aren't practitioners at all, they are members of the public having a go. If I decide to cut your skull open and have a fiddle with your brains - I'm not described as an "unlicensed doctor" - no - I 'm described as a "butcher". Members of the public who do plumbing, gasfitting or drainlaying are not "unlicensed plumbers" etc - they are bloody members of the public carrying out sanitary plumbing with no licence. We want to rid the industry of cowboys - of course we do - the Federation mantra is "keep it legal", Master Plumbers want only licensed people working in the industry - so you have agreement of just about 100% - BUT the difference lies in who funds it. MP are happy to see practitioners fund it - but everyone with a driver's licence doesn't pay a special fee to prosecute people without a driver's licence who drive, no they pay taxes which fund the police who prosecute.
How does it benefit industry to fund this - let the buggers go and make cock ups - we can charge more afterwards to fix it. In the meantime they can do untold damage. It is a "community" benefit to stop being doing regulated work who are not qualified and licensed to do so.
Give the PGDB some of the gas levy and some of the building consent fees and then let them go for it - and while they are at it how about having a go at a few homeowners who knowingly employ unlicensed people, and also sit in the carparks at the DIY stores and follow some of the people who have got plumbing gear and are having a go at it and ask to see their licence.
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Hi guys, yeah Jax (well they aren't practitioners at all) quite right they also say that we will benefit by paying a fortune for getting rid of them. Two things there are (1). It will never stop (2). The health and safety of the country would be the benefactor, so why should we pay to get rid of them?
I remember when P.Routhan first brought it in(2004)he said that because the council cannot recover the cost of prosecution verses the penalties meted out to cowboys by the courts they will no longer prosecute them so a levy of $15.00 would apply from that year which will be paid to the council to fund these prosecutions, perhaps the Federation could look into that to see what exactly happened to the $15.00 that we all paid at that time, I presume that it was also illegal, look what’s happened to that $15.00 today.
Jax (MP are happy to see practitioners fund it) yes Master Plumber members are all bosses so all expenses are tax deductible and G.s.t free unlike the rank and file guys who work for them who have to pay through the nose, cheers
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bit of a shame this gay marriage thing is grabbing the public interest , otherwise our issue may get some airtime , public interest is one way of getting the politicians to take notice , any ideas on how we can bring this to the media , may be the just what is needed to get this bill thrown out .
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I might ask Maurice to marry me, bit of a catch :'(
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yep that itll do it badger put a big sign up on the motorway into wellington lol
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Badger - would he be shoot, snog or marry? I'd say he was a three bagger.
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Maybe a bit late now but if we need to setup an electronic form to collect signatures please let me know.
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it is not that bad an idea, drape a sign like that over a bridge into wellington
"Minister Williamson will you Gay Marry me...you are the flop to my flip"
wait till its in the media and then tell them our gripes....all us malcontents
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Man that was awesome seeing the Board get roasted like that. How are they going to talk themselves out of this one?? Would be pretty hard to be taken seriously now if you ask me.
They have now been caught out at the highest level. I cannot wait to find out if this Board thinks its above the govt too?? As obviously they think they are above the Ombudsman, OAG and RRC which is undeniable @ this point. Publicly they would definitely say no they are not etc obviously as no one is above the law but I believe they still now they think they have acted in good faith regarding all matters since the OAG report where they were told to clean up their act and I bet they still think they have done nothing really wrong at all. They will cover themselves until the bitter end.
Was so stoked to hear Maryan Street bring up Badgers story. Now those pricks @ the "Board"will listen up as its out in the open for all to hear. Heads must roll for this, they cannot preach their health & safety of the public rhetorical bullshit when they let things like a dodgy gas explosion go by without the responsible people being held to account and even worse knowingly stitching up another person who they knew all along was not guilty. I applaud you Badger, and your family I really do. It takes a very strong person and a strong family to endure what has gone on here. I would like to see you eventually compensated for everything this corrupt regime has done to you and your family. Everything you lost plus hundreds of thousands in damages.
For those at the Board who have covered this up & let Badger take the fall knowingly, I would call for a prison term for each one of them as they have knowingly let someone responsible for putting public health & safety at risk go untouched and knowingly dragged somebody else through the mud. I have absolutely no respect for anyone on the Board,
"The Board are corrupt" now it is official. If this bill is to pass into law I would like to know what more can we now do to stir things up? Keep e-mailing MP's? Keep e-mailing campbell live? Refuse to license? E-mail people at the Board asking the hard questions until someone replies??
Was disappointed to see the Bill go through second reading though. I plan on sending a few e-mails of my own today. Noticed the Maori party voted against the bill which was good to see, they are some of the swing votes aren't they??
The Board must be worried at this point. I would be if I just had my dirty laundry aired out for all to see in Parliament.
The charitable status info from Brendan Horan was great too hear also. I thought he spoke really well, clear and concise.
Actually guys I believe designing a sign/banner is a great idea to help stir up public opinion. I would be willing to take time off work for this. The timing at the moment couldn't be more perfect really with the shit hitting the fan in Parliament. I think it could be achieved for a reasonably low cost but would get a lot of peoples attention. Media coverage is what is needed here, its teetering on the edge, I believe it needs that one last little "push" before this entire thing blows up in the Boards face, excuse the pun.
If charges were laid by the Board or who ever etc for slagging the Board off to tell you the truth, I couldnt really give a shit. If the Board carries on with its path to industry destruction were going to have less than we do now anyway(which isn't much for some of us) once they are finished steam rolling us so the old quote comes to mind.
"When you got nothin, you got nothin to lose"
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Mate my missis is a saint and my rock. I would have gone nuts (or may be should say nuttier) if it wasn't for her.
My Darl has never criticised me, under mined me or blamed me for anything ( because she knew I had done the right thing, but still I don't know many people who wouldn't lash out)....
Even when she had to live in a caravan on her own for a whole winter, with no running water and a chemical toilet.... while I lived on a plumbers yard in another island, not once did she moan or complain...she just gets on with it with a laugh and a smile......I admire her so much...I will have this out in the open if I got to sit bollock naked outside their offices painted bright red, it is beyond personal to me......
FYI..........
Sue Ineson was on my panel for my hearing, she heard me say about the sick shit they sent my missis unmarked of its sick content.
See correspondence below read it from bottom to top............
Sorry Sue I won’t be doing that, the effect that certain people have had on my life will not go unpunished, it is corruption, nothing less…and to stand by while corruption happens is just as bad, not matter when it happens or where you are today.
I have done nothing that I wouldn’t repeat on a stage in front of a massive audience….I wonder how the people responsible for my loosing my home and business will fare, same people who had no problem sending my wife child sexual abuse case notes and I watched her crumble in a heap of despair just before we had to sell our home and she lived in a caravan for a winter with my 5 and 7 year old while I worked away……the mirror is coming and it will reflect all that those responsible have done……very publically, I wish you well. If you are not one of these people then you have nothing to worry about, but I will say that Karma is a fickle mistress.
See you at the inquiry.
Paul Gee Plumbing & Gas Ltd
PO Box 249, Takaka 7142
0274 33 33 50 / 03 525 9889
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From: Sue Ineson [mailto:sue.ineson@karoconsulting.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 17 April 2013 9:35 a.m.
To: 'Paul & Emma Gee'
Subject: RE: a corrupt industry Board
Paul
I was not reappointed to the Board by the Minister at the end of my last term- therefore I have no involvement with the Board now- please delete me from your email updates.
Sue Ineson
From: Paul Gee [mailto:gasnsolarservices@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Paul & Emma Gee
Sent: Wednesday, 17 April 2013 6:04 a.m.
To: alanbickers@xtra.co.nz; campbelllive@tv3.co.nz; ceo@pgdb.co.nz; charlotte@pgdb.co.nz; communications@pgdb.co.nz; complaints@pgdb.co.nz; fjehan.casinader@tvnz.co.nz; guardian.motueka@xtra.co.nz; fiona@masterplumbers.org.nz; ian@news24seven.tv; 'Jehan Casinader'; 'Julie Drury'; Kernuren@pgdb.co.nz; 'Nifo Pelesasa'; 'Mission Chambers'; 'Max Pedersen'
Cc: 'Wal Gordon'; allan-day@xtra.co.nz; 'Colleen Upton'
Subject: a corrupt industry Board
Hi All, some of you will not want to see this and the rest I have sent it to is just because I want to spread the word.
Please see below the link for Parliament TV.
http://inthehouse.co.nz/node/18161.
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So basically if Sue was on the "panel" at your hearing she is neck deep in this also?? Yeah being a former board member does not make you innocent after the fact. All those involved must be held accountable.
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.....and before any smart prick asks why there was no running water and a chemical toilet, that's because she managed to sell her own home.... herself, to save money on real estate fees, while I was working away.....these turds who have done this to her....and/or stood by and watched wouldn't come up to her instep on her foot and couldn't even endure a week of what she did, and my kids when you come to think of it, for months and months......the dirty arseholes they are.
We now live in the run down building.....do you know what she did before I came back from away.......
She fixed the garden up because "it only takes elbow grease and not money"
Now after 8 years out of the work force (because she wanted to raise our boys) she has gone back to work in a bank to help us get out of the hole, she cried for the first week because she didn't think she could do it.......
She now just takes it in her stride, gets "hero" emails for what she does in work.....AND RAISES OUR BOYS......
My missis rocks.......... I am proud just to just know her, let alone to share my life with her.....these dirty bastards should watch I don't really loose it.....you scum, yes you the ones reading this ....you ain't fit to say her Name.
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yeah mate, they say "I have only just got here don't blame me"....
which then proceeds to "I am addressing the issues"
AND THEN "I have left the Board, it ain't my problem", to which the Minister replaces them and re runs the cycle of....... I just got here, I am working on it, oh I have left you can deal with the shit....
And they source the people from the same groups.....who ultimately control the direction of the industry, against best practice recommendations ........utter and total bollox with a smattering of corruption and a sprinkle of incompetence, it is embarrassing....
You watch what Bickers does......
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Yeah im sick of that. Every public servant busts those tried and true catch phrases out when they are there to get paid, not make a difference.
Thats one of the biggest problems with this Board.. No accountability so they get stupid with their new found powers, wreak havoc with the industry then walk away scot free.
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There has to be accountability within govt bodies/panels/boards/committees, there just has to be.
If there is no accountability then I may just build a big sign that reads "The PGDB can suck my balls" signed..."The common plumber,gasfitter,drainlayer of NZ." And then display it all over Wellington etc etc
And if the Board sue me for defamation I will claim "No accountability"....what makes the Board better than me?? Exactly. We are all humans who breathe the same air so why are they not liable for their actions but I am.
For petes sake Badger they rubbished you in the local paper killing your business before they could prove anything. That proves they are out of control as there is no accountability. Bickers can do what he likes, he holds for now, the "golden ticket".
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perfect, just drop the "my", you don't want to make it personal....but they in no doubt do "suck balls"
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I emailed Williiamson offering some advice on how he could get him self out of the mess he is in , He replied back wanting me to be his sexual advisor , at least I think thats what he means, he replied if I want your fu%&$ng opinion Ill contact you, I said thanks for the offer but I dont have any experience with gay issues .
:D
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I got no problems with what anyone does in their own lives as long as no one gets hurt....
But I find it quite sad and a bit bizarre that a minister can be so ill-informed that he makes untrue statements in Parliament, that covers up the real issue....for the site of an explosion......where some one nearly dies...
But what makes the news.... his speech about rainbows.......am I missing something?
Surely Maurice wouldn't go all camp and dramatic just to politicise a popular issue to move blame and give him a distraction to his cock up (pardon the pun)....he's right honourable an everything.
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Haha did he really peasea???
Yeah I just found that on youtube, didnt bother watching it though.
I have no time for fat ass liers such as him. ;D
Looks like someone against our amendment bill has already posted and slammed him hahaha...wonder who that was...