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The Fees Review facts are hidden!!
Is pushing on with statutory authority morally and ethically wrong?
Discipline fees gone wild and
Let the Board continue to TAX practitioners.
Believe us you'll want to leave comments after this.
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I would love to leave a comment about the involvement of a certain industry group, but they have told me I am bound by a confidentiality clause (that I can't find and can't get them to show me) and apparently I am bound to even though I am no longer a member.
They have said that I have attempted to lay a complaint about the whole group ....when it was against the few that f**** people over (including their own members/ex presidents) and ignore their own rules, protocol, standards and so called code of ethics, when it suits.
But this attempt of a complaint isn't allowed, because I am no longer a member....unyet I am still bound by the parts that suit them.
Ring any bells.....picking certain "laws/ethics/standards/protocol" when it suits .....and then ignoring the same when it suits.
People who screw over their own kind.......turn coats and hypocrites.....a public inquiry is needed, lets see who stands up to scrutiny.....ooops was that a comment ;)
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hi guys,I`m not much of an accountant but thank goodness that someone in the federation is. It is obvious that the board have employed accountants to show us all these wonderful figures that we can`t understand and take at face value to `Baffle us with Bullshite`, well I think that the Federation has unraveled the `Web of deceit` to prove that the game is up. Well done Federation,cheers
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hi guys, It is my opinion that the board wastes money on (apart from other sources of waste that we are not aware of)the mailing out of useless bits of information when they could email it / consultations on matters that have already been decided on / road shows that are just free trips for themselves. The world is in recession but no austerity on the part of the board, we all have to tighten our belts but the boards are expanding with no end in sight, cheers
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hi guys, has anyone read this `Plan` read it carefully it may suprise you how the board will make our trades more respected and less expensive,cheers
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If only they were capable of carrying out what they say they want to do, most of this would be an improvement, but I bet it is still more smoke, mirrors and bullshit.....we should keep a copy of this and review it this time next year.......the thing is myself and most of the people I talk to, WANT a proper, fair and transparent board, we are not anarchists.....I don't want cowboys in the trade.
Lets review the last years strategic plan.....the thing is Mr Bickers you need to review the past to see the future, to see where you got it so very wrong and how you can fix it, you need to own up to your mistakes and fix them.
But the quote below done me, is this one of the things to be ignored because it happened in the past....or is it a confession that they knowingly got it so wrong.....if your aim is to have this next year .....then it means you don't have it now.....
3. Undertake discipline in a way that is lawful, fair and reasonable, and is proportionate to the severity of any alleged offence.
I really believe them on this one.....no seriously...... I really do......hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, LOL, PMSL.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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my goal my vision
I am trying to win lotto
what am I doing
buying lotto tickets
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hi guys, just a few of their statements that i find amazing,, if only!!! cheers
PLUMBERS, GASFITTERS AND DRAINLAYERS BOARD Strategic Plan 1 April 2012 to 31 March 2015.
The Board’s focus will now move from fixing the problems of the past to striving for best practice and to building a reputation as a trusted and respected regulator.
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The recent history of the Board has led to a significant level of dissatisfaction with the activities of the Board, particularly from the trade’s people. Rebuilding trust and confidence is critical for the Board’s success.
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The prevailing political sentiment is to reduce rather than increase regulation and to regulate in a cost effective manner.
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The Board is a respected autonomous organisation that contributes to the health and safety of the public by regulating people working in the plumbing, gasfitting and drainlaying trades and by working closely with the regulators of other trades within the construction sector
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LOL peasea, you have the same retirement plan as me.
Robbo, it is garbbled bullshite, if you are already well thought of/respected....why do you need to work on it????
So they are moving from fixing the problems of the past......so are they going to leave them as they are or feckin fix them because they are still with us????
Better men than me have said you ignore history and what you can learn from it at your peril....and if you do it in a position of power.... then you do it to the peril of those you administer, if you take the Board as an entity all of its own, regardless of the Muppet's steering......I think Cicero said it best......
"Nescire autem quid antequam natus sis acciderit, id est semper esse puerum. (To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child.)"
— Marcus Tullius Cicero
Basically you got to learn from your mistakes, own them, fix them and apologise for them.....then move on and build on strong foundations.........you do not, forget them, disown them, bury them......what your building will lack strength and integrity....in both sense's of the words.
You want trust and respect.....then show it in your actions.....talk is just talk....I judge people on their actions not what they say......to date, the Board has been full of shit and has been for 10 years....fact.
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Just to be clear I mean the "re-birth" of this "new" Board to be judged as an entity of its own,
And as for Mr Bickers "VISION"......I am reminded of the advert for spec savers in reference to the Boards "VISION"....with the old farts on a roller coaster when they thought they were getting on a quiet park bench......I thank you all at the Board for your legacy.....it has brought me hours of entertainment and humour over the last ten years...........vision PMSL.
You really need to fix what is broken and mend the problems.....before you go off and cause some new ones....LOL ;)
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had to share this one, oh the irony of it....LOL happy Christmas all...I'm gonna have a fab one....
Delivery has failed to these recipients or groups:
communications@pgdb.co.nz
The e-mail address you entered couldn't be found. Please check the recipient's e-mail address and try to resend the message. If the problem continues, please contact your helpdesk.
Copy and pasted the address straight off their web site, but got this in return. Probably a technical thing....but thought it was a bit of humor.... ;)
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hi guys/Badger, ( if you are already well thought of/respected....why do you need to work on it?) well said badger,cheers
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hi guys, the problem that we have is that this plan streches out to 2015 so anything that is not done and complained about will be met with `we are working on that`/ `we are getting legal advice on that`/ `we are having a public meeting on that` and the excuses will go on, why do they need another three years? that is a long time, hopefully the older ones on the board will be dead by then or the board will have been disbanded altogether, we can only hope,cheers
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LOL peasea, you have the same retirement plan as me.
Robbo, it is garbbled bullshite, if you are already well thought of/respected....why do you need to work on it????
So they are moving from fixing the problems of the past......so are they going to leave them as they are or feckin fix them because they are still with us????
Better men than me have said you ignore history and what you can learn from it at your peril....and if you do it in a position of power.... then you do it to the peril of those you administer, if you take the Board as an entity all of its own, regardless of the Muppet's steering......I think Cicero said it best......
"Nescire autem quid antequam natus sis acciderit, id est semper esse puerum. (To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child.)"
— Marcus Tullius Cicero
Basically you got to learn from your mistakes, own them, fix them and apologise for them.....then move on and build on strong foundations.........you do not, forget them, disown them, bury them......what your building will lack strength and integrity....in both sense's of the words.
You want trust and respect.....then show it in your actions.....talk is just talk....I judge people on their actions not what they say......to date, the Board has been full of shit and has been for 10 years....fact.
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Badger lotto is not my retirement plan , I was using the analogy to highlight the chances of success of the pgdb mission statements being achieved .
Would be nice to win lotto though , lol
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I know Peasea, just saying now thanks to the Board that is my best chance of a decent retirement....after their lies and witch-hunt ruined my business.
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I've sat back and watched for a long time now and finally I've got up the courage to stand up and be counted. Whats the story with the Federation?
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Watchdog, you can read about the Federation by going back through the newsletters on this site and seeing who they are and what they stand for. If you want to join it is free - you simply contact Wal Gordon and give him your details and request to become a member. The Federation is interested in fairness and equality in legislation and regulation for our industries - that is all. They do not have business partners, or sponsors - and therefore they are not beholden to any external entities other than their members. All the work undertaken by the federation is done by volunteers who give up their time - they are not paid in any way, shape or form. Any travel to and from meetings is done at their own cost, nothing is recovered from donations.
The Federation currently has 980 members, these range from apprentices to employers to tradespeople, to administration people - all interested in the industry. They are currently looking for people in different areas to start up local chapters - people who are willing to run an informal gathering of practitioners so that their views can be gauged and issues bought back to the central committee.
So far the Federation have had some success in bringing complaints to the Charities Commission, the Regulation Review Committee, the Office of the Auditor General and the Ombudsman. All the Federation want is for the Board to operate legally and transparently within the Act.
The Federation were borne out of practitioners sheer frustration in getting the PGDB to listen to practitioners, in the dramatic increase in fees, in some of the poor information being fed to us by the PGDB, out of the concerns around the cross seeding of Boards in our sector so that no one criticised the others, the poor decisions made by the Board that have affected our industry for too long and the mistake after mistake made by the Board in interpreting the Act - if you feel this frustration then the Federation is the organisation for you. But read the newsletters and see what you make of it.
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Thanks Jaxcat. I'll get on to joining.
I've read a lot of the back issues and can't get over the arrogant attitude of the board and others. What gives these dicks the rights to screw with our lives and to accept money for doing it?
If there was a pre school for board members and CEO these idiots would be lucky to get entry.
Out of all the board members is there not one that will front up and help the industry. Why don't we sack the board and put the Federation in to run the show as they seem to know what's happening and seem to care about the rest of us.
Sorry I,m going on a bit but more of us need to speak up. How can we get more people to this site and to help the Federation?
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Welcome Watchdog. What are you watching?
Wal
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I thought I was watching a bit of a tussle going on but he more I read the more I see that I'm watching a Board screwing with my rights and life.
I take my hat off to you guys for standing up to them as most people seem to be afraid of the Board and what might happen to them. I know I was guilty of that as well.
Why doesn't the Government do something about this Board?
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The only person who can sack the Board is the minister who appointed them.....so good luck on getting a politician to admit they made an error in judgment, the act is set up in a way that they have no liability in anything they say or do (that is how it is worded) you can complain as long as it isn't about discipline and has to be with in very tight peramiters, if it falls out side of this then you have nowhere to go.
BUT, AND THEY SEEM TO HAVE OVER LOOKED THIS....THEY SHOULD ACT IN GOOD FAITH AND FOLLOW NATURAL JUSTICE......AND THEY DO NOT DO THIS.
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Also..... no body can "make" the Board do anything, only make recommendations ......that they are then free to ignore, it is run like an old boys club with no repercussions.............a gentlemans club that is in short supply of any gentlemen acting with total impunity, because they can.
.............and we wonder why they act with total disregard for us, the public and fair play. It is so very wrong.
They ignore a faulty safety gas certificate system and ignore dangerous jobs when it suits, if your in the club you can get away with anything, if you are out side of the club they steamroller your life and go you for the least of infringements.....all played out with their own referee, on their home pitch, with their own rule book (a rule book that they hold YOU to.....this same rule book can then be ignored at will, at their discretion).
IF, AND IT IS A BIG "IF", We are meant to live in a free democracy with fair play for all............what part of what I have said is acceptable.........they read this site and do not react to my accusations.....because I can back every word with facts and paperwork(a lot of letters are actually issued by the Board).
People are taken by the same crowd to task by lawyers for defamation for just calling these clowns names.......but they haven't even denied what I am saying............and I know they read this site, I am glad they read this site.
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AND THE BEST PART OF THIS VERY BLACK JOKE............WE FINANCE IT ALL.....IT IS US THAT PUT THE GRAVY IN THEIR TRAIN.......... ???
They are now apparently appealing, with our money, to oppose being de-registered as a charity............you have to ask your self a question....on what planet are they a charity, it is a tax avoidance dodge, unbelievably, this is even according to Allan Bickers in a recent Info Brief. They are meant to be a non profit organisation, you only get taxed on profit. They claim to keep this profit to offset costs to us in the future.
Question.........when has your TOTAL cost to gain a licence EVER gone down....it is reshuffled and shaped and presented in all different ways....but when has that cheque ever gone down in value??? ever???
They are liars and bullies and we ALLOW them to rule us......WHY is that??? I am not going to.....and if it takes a physical action by my self... then so be it....I have tried every available avenue that is legal and available, but I have lost a great deal.......I am not having this.