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Title: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: Badger on July 21, 2012, 12:37:49 PM
Give Big Al a bell and let him know what you think of his six week trip to North America....please leave well wishes as you wouldn't want to ruin his visit....***removed by Admin***.

Five weeks in America...nice work if you can get it ;)

Oh the irony of it.....
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: TS on July 27, 2012, 11:13:13 PM
What a silly post Badger.
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: roberto on July 28, 2012, 09:56:20 PM
sorry ts, whats he done? im sure hes just pissed off that we all are paying for him to go away on free trips with our licences every year......thats what we pay them for isnt it???? I dont believe for a second that we pay them to investigate dodgy plumbers/gasfitters, we pay for them to have flash cars, sit in leather arm chairs and smoke cigars and go to strip clubs every weekend - nice one!!!
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: Jaxcat on July 28, 2012, 10:52:03 PM
Look guys this is getting a bit silly.  Alan Bickers will be receiving very little as the Chair of the PGDB - it certainly wouldn't pay his way to North America.  If the guy has saved and is having a holiday I don't think that is any of our business.  PGDB members get $400 a day for meetings I think.  The chair will get more, but when you break it down to  a per hour (given there will be a lot of preparation time, reading etc) - it's hardly lotto winnings. 

What the guy gets paid is irrelevant, if it wasn't him getting it someone else would be - the costs are built in to running the PGDB, and have been for years - it's not new that the Board or the Chair get paid.  I don't see the relevance of this to the injustice that Badger feels he has suffered.  We obviously aren't all going to agree with each other - that's the point of the forum isn't it - for people to air their opinions.  Not a fan of abuse though not matter which way it is flowing.
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: Badger on July 29, 2012, 09:19:34 AM
TS I have done nothing wrong at all, except spoken my mind and stood up for the truth. perhaps you are one of those brown noses who think I deserve it because I spoke out, well that says volumes about you.
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: Thunderhead on July 29, 2012, 10:46:13 AM
TS what a silly reply to a silly post!  :P



I would be highly intrested to know how much they get paid per year to sit on the board because i have no idea?.
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: roberto on July 29, 2012, 11:06:05 AM
probably a hell of alot more than what we get for busting our asses off to support our families every day..........oh well, its tough at the top!!! NOT!!! comon jax, dont be too supportive of the board!!!
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: Rodza1 on July 29, 2012, 01:57:59 PM
I would also love to know round about how much money we are talking about here when all they are doing is driving multiple industries to their knees, then wiping their hands clean of those industries and going onto the next job blame free when all is in tatters and they have successfully only made things worse.
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: Badger on July 29, 2012, 07:45:36 PM
How about the trip to Melborne for all the Board and their partners....paid for by us and ultimately the public.
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: Jaxcat on July 29, 2012, 08:07:44 PM
My understanding is they $400 a day for the actual Board meetings - of which there are around 9 a year.  Travel and accommodation is obviously paid too.  I don't know what the Chair gets, but it will be more as the workload is more. There are many papers to be read prior to Board meetings but no prior work is paid for - simply the meeting day.  The annual report has been presented to Parliament on Friday, so will be available next week hopefully, all this will be disclosed in there.  It is common place to pay Board member's and I would not imagine the renumerations has gone up a lot in recent years.  The annual report should show Board running costs which are different to their payments.
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: TS on July 29, 2012, 09:49:50 PM
sorry ts, whats he done? im sure hes just pissed off that we all are paying for him to go away on free trips with our licences every year......thats what we pay them for isnt it???? I dont believe for a second that we pay them to investigate dodgy plumbers/gasfitters, we pay for them to have flash cars, sit in leather arm chairs and smoke cigars and go to strip clubs every weekend - nice one!!!

He put the chairs phone number up. If it wasn't so wrong why did the admin edit it out?
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: Rodza1 on July 29, 2012, 10:04:37 PM
Awesome cant wait to dissect those operating reports!!     8)   Should be a good read
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: robbo on July 29, 2012, 10:14:38 PM
hi guys,"My understanding is they $400 a day for the actual Board meetings" Jax says,,correct me if i am wrong but did`nt P.Routhan  get $245000.00 per year, and was`nt he suspended on full pay while an investigation was held??? cheers
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: Rodza1 on July 29, 2012, 10:25:07 PM
I remember reading that robbo. 250k a year for good ol Phil and he did sweet f**k all it turned out in the end....Oh except for witch hunt a few guys he clashed with over the years and abuse the shit out of other pgdb staff sexually and racially.

Yet he winged like a little bi*ch when he eventually lost his employment court case over unfair dismissal. haha love it.
He definitely EARNED that, unlike his salary.

 8)
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: Jaxcat on July 30, 2012, 07:51:46 AM
Mr Routhan was the CEO/Registrar - he was in a paid employment situation this is not what he got when he was the Board Chair. Two different things not to be confused.  This thread was commenting on Mr Bickers ability to go on holiday.  He is not a paid employee of the Board, he is the Board chair.  Two totoally different things, with two totally different remuneration packages.  The CEO/Registrar is paid considerably more than the Board chair.
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: Thunderhead on July 30, 2012, 06:09:28 PM
thanks for clearing that up jax we all know that ceo's get paid some stupid money for deligating responsibility to others and then if it all goes pear shaped they always seem to get some huge severance packages...lol gotta laugh at that im in the wrong proffesion!...

but i would be intrested to see a spread sheet of what each of them get payed...are we able to ask for that from them?
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: peasea on July 30, 2012, 07:58:54 PM
If you google Mr Bickers you will see his credentials etc and his charge out rate , he has a private consultancy and all his charges are listed , from memory $300  per hr plus actual cost re travel etc plus 10 %  , I dont know if this is what he is charging the PGDB , would be interested to know .

What a mess this is becoming , not just our trade , but all industries , taken over by red tape and bueracracy , I personally met John Key and Hekia Parata just before they were elected , they were in  no doubt, about that  fact, They dont seem to be doing much about it , although to be fair the mps on the select committe who reported back to parliament regarding the implementation of of the 2006 act , were completely ignored , who runs this bloody country the people or the bueracrats, or are the mps too gutless , or unable to enact the wishes of the people . on a lighter side great to see some debate going on   
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: Jaxcat on July 30, 2012, 10:01:43 PM
I don't think you will get a spreadsheet from the PGDB on what each Board member is paid, it will depend on how many meetings they turn up to, I presume those on the Disciplinary Committee get more as they attend more meetings, but I am sure they get $400 per Board meeting, with the Board Chair getting more (as it perfectly normal practice on any Board).  Mr Bickers won't be getting $300 per hour as he gets for his consultancy business, there will be scheduled rates for Board members and the Chair minuted an agreed to by the Board.  Compared to Board's of private companies they are paid very little (and before everyone has a hernia - you wouldn't expect them to get Board fees any higher than those paid).  So - some could say Mr Bickers doesn't need this Chairmanship if he can get $300 an hour in his consultancy business (and I don't know if that is true or not) - but he would be losing money the days he attends Board meetings then. 

I think some of the confusion has been that Mr Routhan was the Board Chair and then bingo!  Overnight one night he went from Board Chair to Registrar/CEO complete with employment contract, and then Bingo! again, the entire PGDB was removed by the Minister.  So the figures paid to Mr Routhan were related to his full time employment as the Registrar/CEO.  Usually the "bands" of payment are made available to the public not the actual salary so they may say they have x number of people in the $100,000 - $120,000 etc - this should be in the annual report.  It will also list Board expenses too and may show Board fees (as a group total, not individuals).  You may be able to get individual Board payments under the OIA - they will also be taxed secondary tax on it all too.
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: Rodza1 on July 31, 2012, 12:00:02 PM
annual report is out now 
Title: Re: Alan Bickers CEO of PGDB Personal mobile phone number
Post by: robbo on July 31, 2012, 01:33:38 PM
hi guys,here it is:-