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From todays paper.....
The first prisoners undertaking diplomas in plumbing and drainlaying, automotive engineering, and painting and plastering are due to finish their 17-week courses next month.
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and is that it for their time? is that a national certificate in plumbing/gas/drain? they will still have to sit reg exam though aye? if it is a p/g/d cert that they are doing?
surely you cant gain the "COMPETENCY" to be given a license based on this - this will also set a legal precedent if otherwise
what training institute has it been undertaken through?
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The training I take it is done in prison.
Being a time served tradesman takes on a whole new meaning, perhaps the masturbating carpet cleaner can have a go, he's a tradesman apparently.
In the same paper (the weekend press) has a story about a poor sod who's living in a caravan as he lost his job as a bloody DRAINLAYER!!!!
Google it mate its all on the newspapers web site, its nuts I had to resit all my tickets when I came from the UK, could have just smacked someone over went to jail and got my ticket, instead of taking years of jumping through the boards hoops to resit a ticket that I was already qualified in, real fair that.
When it suits them they do as they please, I got no problem giving people a second chance, just think it is fairer to give it to the people who haven't broken the law first. They are going to have a healthy respect for industry rules and regulations aren't they???? if they had no problem breaking the law of the land, what are they going to think about venting a hot water cylinder, utter bollox. We are led by morons but we are the bigger morons for f****ing following the cunts. I got to work away from my family because the tossers lied about me and ruined my business.
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It appears if you play fair, by the rules, pay your taxes your at a disadvantage, we are over regulated and the cowboys are loving it, now we got to compete with hardened criminals, it is a f****ing joke
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I read the story about the drainlayer in our paper too - it's terrible. I would have thought drainlayers would have been in great demand in Chch - I know of a drainlayer in Wgtn who has taken his firm down there to work. I agree with everything you say Badger - our poor trainees are paying throught he nose, and then their taxes are being used to give prisoners a free training package. Go figure.
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yup - skills shortage my ass
pray tell what is the point in an apprenticeship?
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What crimes did they commit, any rapists or sex offenders?? hopefully just petty thieves and drug addicts. Oh well they can replace all the tradies that have left for Oz, that the Board have scared off. Do they really want to screw this country right up or what, perhaps they think its a cunt tree, and we are ripe for picking, its like a bad joke.
Will the people know who they have invited in to work in their families homes?? a 17 week trained criminal.......will they f****, just bloody wrong, especially when law abiding business's are doing it hard and there are heaps of willing kids who need a start.
Can someone tell me why these Dick's are in charge again?? It is beyond me, I would be utterly embarrassed to put my name to the drivel they spout, total idiots.
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yea its like they(members of parliment) have to walk through a microwave oven each day they walk into office and the microwaves fry any shread of common sence and any moral standings they may of once had.
what dropdead dipshit thought it would be good to teach criminals to learn a trade so that they could further degrade the trust that the public puts in us...
And they must serve 8000hrs on the tools to be deemed compentant i cant see them being that stupid to let a 17 week course be enough...i could never see the pgdb allowing this just remember how they like to rule with an iron fist...so 17 weeks and not all NZQA unit stsndards done theres no way in hell this would ever happen...it is more likley to be an introductory course in the trades give em a diploma(that means jackshit in the real world) so that they feel good and want to do good with there life sort of thing....i hope!
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This is what the Press said back in February
Southern regional manager for prison services Ian Bourke said about 50 per cent of freed prisoners reoffended. "That's what we've got to stop."
Corrections aimed to show prisoners "different pathways" in life, and he believed that securing a job after getting out of jail would help stop many of them from reoffending.
"We are part of the wider community and that's the way we want to operate," he said.
Fulton Hogan business development manager Kenny Corrigan, who is also chairman of the Canterbury branch of the New Zealand Contractors Federation, visited a prison for the first time yesterday.
Trades-trained prisoners would be needed to work on Christchurch's rebuild because of a nationwide skills shortage, Corrigan said. "We're going to have shortages in lots of areas."
These people should stop and have a look at why there is a so called skills shortage. "basically because they over regulate us, treat us like shit and then want us to support their views.
Is there any benefit in being in a regulated industry? It seems our time and skills don't count for bugger all. I can't wait to see what will happen when prisoners start coming out as doctors and surgeons because remember plumbers have done more in the world for the health of people than doctors have every done but because we are referred to as "trades people" our skills are deemed inferior to others.
I feel for the young guys who have paid thousands of dollars to do a pre-trade and can't get jobs because now in the name of rehabilitation they have more people in the market going for the few jobs there are available but the ex convicts will have the support and assistance of the so called Justice department to get jobs, they will no doubt pay employers to give ex convicts a job, Where is the justice in that?
Perhaps its time to start a political party of trades people to straighten things out.
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Totally Wal, lets have some practically minded, down to earth, honest people for a change, not a gaggle of soothsaying lawyers, who know more about how to bend and get around a law than to follow it.
It is so sad what they are doing to our country for short term capital gain and cost saving. Is it because the CHCH council was badly under insured....by the same dicks that accepted huge pay increases while the people they represent live in 3rd world conditions for far too many months.... twisted.
Who are going to run these ex cons?? probably pay them lower wages, in effect exploiting them. I have no problem with ex cons most have been f****ed over too and lashed out against society and ended up paying for it. While a small few get minted and live off them, bloody wrong, just plain wrong.
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Actually Wal you make a good point there - are they offering medical or legal training to these guys - no - those professions wouldn't put up with it and would have their mates in the National Party put a stop to it. The tradies are easy pickings. I have yet to see any skills shortage in Chch or anywhere else at the moment. I understand that a lot of the developers in Chch are getting their insurance payouts and investing it in Auckland or anywhere but Chch - so the huge rebuilding may never happen. There are plenty of unemployed tradespeople who are just waiting for Chch to take off so they can move down there - I don't think we need to bring in lots of overseas trained plumbers, gasfitters or drainlayers or train prisoners either.
Starting training cons in medicine and lawyering and spread the shit around...
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One thing about this comment Badger these cons won't have the opportunity to leave N.Z with there records so its must be the boards solution to stop loseing all there licence fees. Which raises another point how the hell are these cons gonna pay these sort of fees (sorry blond moment of course they just rob you and me) :'(
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Worse than that Aboutgas, probably funded by our tax dollars and won't cost them a penny.....When/if CHCH is finished you'll have some cool competition, just think if you beat any on a quote they can send around the heavies to explain their dissappointment in loosing out.
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Is this not just the same pretrade course run by the polytechs I believe they still have to do an apprenticship but skip the first year.
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There is NO pre-trade course in NZ that allows you to skip any time off your apprenticeship. All apprenticeships are 8000 hours - if you have passed unit standards at pre-trade then you don't repeat them, but when at block course you might do self directed learning while the others are doing these unit standards.
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Not totally true Jax I had I guy last year who completed all his paper work and became registerd in 3 years they try to enforce 8000hrs but is not compulsary they try to hold back the paper work and courses to stretch it out but if you push them they will push you through as long as they are achiveing good results. they have changed the apprentice regime now i believe that the apprenticship is paid on a yearly basis not by blocks which will mean they will take forever to push you through.
The 20 week pretrade course covers the book work and unit standards that would normally be done in the first year. An apprentice with a pretrade cert should be starting with the book work for course 2A this is what we had arranged with 2 apprentices we took on 2 years ago
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What polytech was this through. I've had this argument with the ITO several times about the pre-trade. A lot of my apprentices have done the pre-trade and did the one day a week work experience with us. Were your guys fees reduced to take this into account? I have been guaranteed by the ITo that they do not reduce fees and have not done so/
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Auckland unitech also do this if you do a pre trade course then when you start an official apprentiship you start on the year two books...but doing a pre trade is also hours as well and so in reality it cant be done in 3 years fresh of the bat...a per trade course is nearly a year isnt it and then 3 years formal apprentiship which would make nearly 4 in total.
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One polytec in Wellington does a year, but I think you two days of work experience a week, the other poly tech does a pre trade in 3 months.
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Just read a post about the wages paid to ex cons....$13.50 an hour, not sure for what work, but that is pretty low.
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that aint no joke badger i was on $13:50 for FOUR YEARS doing my apprentiship and i was 35years old when i started!!! and then jumped straight to $21 which in my eyes is still underpayed for what i do...and thats the whole reason i did this apprentiship cus im sick of not getting payed what im worth and sick of bosses patting me on the sholder telling me how good i am and yet not showing that in my pay packet!...this country sucks for wage workers heck i was making more 7 years ago over in aus working a brain dead job in a plastics factory than i am today a qualified/licensed plumber!!!
yea im sure there are those good ones out there but they are very few and far between.
But anyways im sitting my craftmans next year and as soon as rego time comes up im on my own!!!...i just think that anyone that does 4 years and then the other two and does not work for themselvs is a bloody fool but everyones diffrent and each to there own.
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$13.50 for four years!!! Sounds like someone was taking the piss. $13.50 to start an apprenticeship is fair enough, with graduated pay rises through the apprenticeship - $21 for newly registered sounds about right - going up the following year - three to four years out $23 - $25 - certifying $26 - $30 depending on where you live. But then you also have to compare apples with applies - overtime rates? callout rates? Meal and tool allowances? Number of sick leave days? What is supplied and what is not - always look at the big picture because this tells you what you are really getting - $ per hour is very important, in context with other things e.g. are you allowed to use the work van for personal use etc etc
However that said you still have four years of underpayment to catch up on.