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its videos like this that keep us plumbers out of a job!!! the pgdb should stop people who are not licenced doing any plumbing at all!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8l4ewZi9ok
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Your right absolutely bloody discusting >:( and what do they do when they stuff it up? Call a plumber. We should all be banding together and charging a premium for fixing things that the home owner has had a go at.
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I wonder if he got a license and done his CPD... do they do gasfitting videos as well?
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What a joke!! Bloody hell! And nothing can be done about this? What stand do insurance companies take on this? What about the ACT?? >:(
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I see what you guys are getting at and 100% whole heartily agree....
however from what i understand it is legal for anyone to replace/repair tapware, tap washers and valving
it is only when you go to ALTER (meaning to cut into, extend, reduce or modify in any way) a potable water supply or sanitary waste system you are then required to be licensed
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Love the feedback the video has been getting! ???
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Do Mitre 10 do an information video on how to run a plumbers Board, that big giant orange fecker could do it, help them with their egos....big is good.
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Wow the video was removed, darn I didn't get to make a copy!... ???
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sorry plumber i sent them an email advising them to take down the video on sunday when i first saw this...they must have took what i said to heart and removed the offending video...thats one to plumbers zero to DIY'ers! :P
I see what you guys are getting at and 100% whole heartily agree....
however from what i understand it is legal for anyone to replace/repair tapware, tap washers and valving
it is only when you go to ALTER (meaning to cut into, extend, reduce or modify in any way) a potable water supply or sanitary waste system you are then required to be licensed
Not to sure about the valving part integrated as this would allow the homeowner to potentialy replace there TPR valve and CWEV which is set to a certin pressure for the cylinder rating...so if the govt have let this slip in they have potentialy set up a system where homeowners could change there cylinder into a bomb.
Are you 100% on that integrated as i only want to know for sure before i put that info in my bank...cheers
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Just being sarcastic Thunderhead, well done mate! ;)
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Do Mitre 10 do an information video on how to run a plumbers Board, that big giant orange fecker could do it, help them with their egos....big is good.
Well said - still laughing at the thought of it!!! That big giant orange fecker could certainly do it!!! Wal Gordon - your mission should you choose to accept it is to recruit said big fecker!!! ;)
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sorry plumber i sent them an email advising them to take down the video on sunday when i first saw this...they must have took what i said to heart and removed the offending video...thats one to plumbers zero to DIY'ers! :P
I see what you guys are getting at and 100% whole heartily agree....
however from what i understand it is legal for anyone to replace/repair tapware, tap washers and valving
it is only when you go to ALTER (meaning to cut into, extend, reduce or modify in any way) a potable water supply or sanitary waste system you are then required to be licensed
Not to sure about the valving part integrated as this would allow the homeowner to potentialy replace there TPR valve and CWEV which is set to a certin pressure for the cylinder rating...so if the govt have let this slip in they have potentialy set up a system where homeowners could change there cylinder into a bomb.
Are you 100% on that integrated as i only want to know for sure before i put that info in my bank...cheers
yup - apologies thunder should have clarified:
- Plumbers, Gasfitters, and Drainlayers Act 2006
- section 6 - meaning of sanitary plumbing
- (2) sanitary plumbing does not include
- (d) the work of repairing or replacing taps, ball valves, tap washers, or plugs
the clause I found most interesting:
6 - Meaning of sanitary plumbing
(1)In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires, sanitary plumbing means—
(b)the work of fixing or unfixing any trap
technically meaning it is restricted and licensed work to replace a trap of any kind!
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Well at least Mitre 10 are re-active when something is pointed out to them. More so than the PGDB anyway. Well done to those who responded to M10 and pointed out the error of their ways. Plumbers NZ Forum - educating the public since 2008 (or before)....
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thanks very much integrated clear as mud now :)...cheers thunder
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thanks guys, I understand the part of the act where you can replace a tap in your own home, but it makes me angry to see the general public doing something us plumbers get paid for! if everyone could do their own plumbing or replace taps plumbers wouldnt be needed at all.
I also understand that its alot cheaper to replace your own tap than pay someone $60+ a hour to do it - but we still have to work to support our families as well!!!
I dont agree at all with stores like mitre 10 or bunnings selling sanitary plumbing fittings like traps, waste pipes, water pipes and elbows etc, isnt that sanitary plumbing that shouldnt be done by the public???
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hi guys, Roberto Mitre !0 and the like also provide trade accounts for us guys if you want one,cheers
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cheers,
I didnt know this but i would rather see them sold to plumbers or tradesmen only, not the general public, cheers
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im with you roberto and I have said before
the only thing joe blow off the street should be allowed to buy are those things which he is legally allowed to physically do - taps, tap washers ball valves and plugs - and thats it end of story - no pipe, no fittings etc
fact is merchants dont give two hoots - they will sell to anyone and everyone to make as many dollars as possible
i have had many discussions with mico/crane, plumbing world, e.g's etc - they seriously dont give a shiite
anthing to fluff their own pillows - including cpd & cash work
i have finally started to make some headway with a sales rep from one merchant - also taught him how to check the plumbers he sells gear to are licensed - his jaw dropped when he saw that every second one was working illegally and he started to sympathise when i pointed out insurances void and they in a round about way become an accessory/accomplice to criminal activity!!
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yeah i totally agree, if the pgdb keep putting adverts everywhere asking for people to ask a tradesman to see thier licence, why are these fitings avalible to the public in mitre 10, bunnings etc???
I got the recent plumbers journal last week that came with a bumper sticker for your car with:
"Hiring a plumber, gasfitter or drainlayer???
Ask to see there licence, it is illegal for anyone who is unlicenced to carry out plumbing, gasfitting and drainlaying work"
doesnt make sense to me!
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seems there is no real concern about unlicensed people doing it themselves as far as the merchants go common to see builders loading up cu tube and waste pipe and Joe bloggs on the weekend. I don't get it you need a licence to buy and own a firearm and ammunition or explosive but you can buy the material to do sanitary plumbing or gas work . Public health and safety?.......
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fact is merchants dont give two hoots - they will sell to anyone and everyone to make as many dollars as possible
i have had many discussions with mico/crane, plumbing world, e.g's etc - they seriously dont give a shiite
anthing to fluff their own pillows - including cpd & cash work
We shop at Franklins and there pretty good the sales people hate members of the public buying gear off them but of course they are only counter staff and have no say...in fact one sales staff will leave any member of the public waiting as long as possible while he serves the licensed account holders first...the rep also told me today that he had rearanged the sale price to his costomers by giving licensed trades people the best deals...lol one of his builders moaned to him about not getting the same deal as plumbers...he quickly said if a plumber goes to placemakers does he get your rates???...he then said after you go and do your 4 years of traning come and show me your license and you will get the same rates as our plumbers get...lolololol good on him i reckon....
And if these trades do pose as great a risk to the health and safety of the public and we have to go through extensive traning and license fees and bullshit cpd then why the hell can joe blow bowl on in to plumbing world and bloody buy GAS FITTINGS...PLUMBING FITTINGS...DRAINLAYING FITTINGS...i mean what sort of story are they trying to tell us one hand says this is dangerous work and the other gives these dangerous products to joe plublic...Bunch of bloody idiots!!!.
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yup - totally agree 100% guys
and i think this situation has a pretty easy fix also - tithe a bar code to a plumbers/gasfitter/drainlayer license which is run through the data base - if license current sale is allowed to be processed if not transaction not
think of it like a flybuys card - how many different outlets can you use it? plenty...
problem is "INDUSTRY STAKEHOLDERS" wont allow it to happen
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And for my two cents worth - some of these merchants who are selling product to the public are also running Road Shows etc with points and are supporting the CPD schemes because they think it is important that practitioners keep up to date and remain competent - how does this sit with selling product to the public who are so NOT competent.
They want it both ways - selling to the public, lobbying parliament so that CPD scheme stays and they have a captive audience for selling stuff, and then also giving discounts to builders etc who shouldn't be putting this stuff in and are shafting the plumbers etc.
We have a merchant in Wellington who is having a big Stocktake sale at the moment. They are selling Infintiy 26's with a free controller cheaper than I can buy from my merchant. Rinnai support them and their sale, but yet expect practitioners to purchase Rinnai product all year around. It just makes me so bloody wild that these suppliers are shafting us left, right and centre. Joe Public will go and buy one Infinity from this merchant and won't need another one for 20 years, practitioners miss out on their margins and livelihood, and yet we might purchase 100 or 200 Infinities in a year and help keep Rinnai in business. If this merchant can sell this stuff at this price and still make money then a) Rinnai are giving a damn good one off price 2) our regular merchants are shafting us 3) This merchant is an idiot and not making any money.
Just a clue (3) isn't an option. They aren't idiots - just don't really give a stuff about practitioners and are not a merchant who contributes anything to wider industry - but in my opinion more like the cut price bargin bin of merchants you know the sort, open the box and bits missing, once you walk out the door we don't want to know about it... That sort, but a wealthy that sort.
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Jax... I asked a drunken supplier once how joe public could get a better price than me .....his reply was, "I got your business"... what a tosser.
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hi guys this is what comes through`Builders Crack`cheers
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I've bought new taps and waste to install in my bathroom vanity. I tried to do it myself, but evidently I don't have the right tools or really know what I'm doing, so couldn't manage to replace either. For the waste, I was unable to unscrew the u-bend and the flange/nut thing underneath the waste, but after that I couldn't get the waste to come out. I tried hitting it with a hammer a few times but couldn't get it to budge at all, so maybe there's something else that needs to be done that I'm not sure about? As for the taps, I wasn't able to get anything undone. I've got a photo of the taps and also a photo of under the sink looking up at the taps; it's pretty cramped working space due to the sink bowl. Ideally I'd like the job done this upcoming week but sometime next weekend or next week would be ok too. House is in Upper Riccarton, a few blocks away from the raceway.
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Yeah same sort of guy that will want you to do it for cash and he will supply all the gear, but doesn't know what to get and so relies on the tradie to tell him and then he rushes off to a big box store to buy it.... All you can hope is that the whole thing goes to shit and a plumber gets the opportunity to come in and charge him heaps - once to undo all the crap the owner has done and then twice to fix it.