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Title: Rheems Gasfired HWC Question
Post by: Jayp on April 05, 2012, 08:59:49 PM
Hi there,
I have a question regarding a gasfired Rheems 135 ltr HWC. Burner and pilot are not staying on, maybe running at max for a few hours then out. I noticed some water vapor dripping down onto burner and pilot during operation and was curious regarding condensate and combustion? Is this to do with incomplete combustion and the thermocouple? Or how often do gasfired HWCs split? Thanks for you help! John. ;)
Title: Re: Rheems Gasfired HWC Question
Post by: danieltkd on April 06, 2012, 10:14:07 AM
There will be condesate as the cylinder is heating up.Natural gas 10% water vapour and LP gas 25% water vapour.If the pilot is not holding or only holds for awhile it might need replacing
 also pilot might have dust on it making flame yellow
 - uni-control could be failing- how old is cylinder

  Get a Gas Fitter to look at it as you need it looked at safely
Title: Re: Rheems Gasfired HWC Question
Post by: dragon333 on May 09, 2012, 09:43:41 PM
What Daniel said, sounds too me like the ECO in the Unitrol failing, you should aim to have your gas system checked once a year by a licensed gasfitter. That way he can check combustion on all appliances, make sure everything's running correctly and test the system for soundness. If the cylinder had sprung a leak, you would definitely notice continuous water flowing out of it, Even if only a small amount. They always condensate quite a bit upon firing the burner.   8)
Title: Re: Rheems Gasfired HWC Question
Post by: Plumber on May 09, 2012, 10:37:44 PM
Sounds like the Thermocouple needs replacing. Rheem still sell them as very common issue.
Title: Re: Rheems Gasfired HWC Question
Post by: dragon333 on May 10, 2012, 06:54:23 AM
Its highly possible.....which should all be checked at the 1 year service ;)
Title: Re: Rheems Gasfired HWC Question
Post by: dragon333 on May 10, 2012, 06:58:31 AM
But then again most plumbers I talk too immediatly suggest the thermocouple for every gas problem hahaha
Title: Re: Rheems Gasfired HWC Question
Post by: dragon333 on May 10, 2012, 07:03:31 AM
When you get your Gasfitter out to investigate, get him to double check the mains GMS regulator (natural gas) Coming up winter time an old regulator can stick and fail under heavier loading couple with colder temps.
Title: Re: Rheems Gasfired HWC Question
Post by: Plumber on May 10, 2012, 11:53:46 AM
Very true dragon  :)
Title: Re: Rheems Gasfired HWC Question
Post by: Thunderhead on May 10, 2012, 05:36:04 PM

so its the thermocouple in the GMS that needs replacing... :P...
Title: Re: Rheems Gasfired HWC Question
Post by: newguy on May 10, 2012, 05:39:17 PM
just replace the whole HWC  ::)
Title: Re: Rheems Gasfired HWC Question
Post by: dragon333 on May 10, 2012, 05:41:05 PM
hahaha no its the manometer that needs replacing  8)
Title: Re: Rheems Gasfired HWC Question
Post by: bruceryan on May 16, 2012, 04:16:06 PM
What i say may not be the issue, but on top of the cylinder there should be a draft diverter, that needs to remain clear at all times, so many people put their clothes around it to dry them off, the effect of that is the products of combustion dont leave the flue to atmosphere and in some cases where downdraft occurs can snuff out the pilot due to lack of air for combustion;
The thermocouple is the usual fault and they are cheap as chips to buy and simple to fit, but in doing so one might aswell as part of a routine clean/check the pilot injector, after assembling and checking for leaks on any pipes undone,ie. the burner and the pilot tubes light it up and adjust the pilot length if it is bigger than a bic lighter flame its more than likely impinging itself on the thermocouple, again upsetting things, all very simple stuff, your main burner should come on and stay on till the water reaches temperature then the burner turns off leaving only the pilot going, just to clarify the burner doesnt go all day its whats refered to as snap-acting not modulating like more complex appliances.