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Offline robbo

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Re: Member of Parliment doing there own plumbing
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2017, 02:30:58 PM »
hi guys, (The rub is that if she was taken to court for this the costs would have been borne by practitioners - and more than likely have been substantially more than any fines received)
... Jax isn't that always the case?

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Re: Member of Parliment doing there own plumbing
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2017, 09:17:24 PM »

Rodney Hide: Ardern missed a golden opportunity with loo-gate
5:00 AM Sunday Mar 19, 2017

Ardern has worked in Prime Minister Helen Clark's office and been an MP for nine years. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Loo-gate provided new Labour deputy leader Jacinda Ardern an opportunity to stand for something and win some votes. She didn't take it.
The mini-scandal was occasioned by her declaring her proudest DIY moment was installing a new toilet in her Pt Chev house.
The problem being that in her part of New Zealand that's an offence under the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Act.
Following investigation by the board, Ardern apologised and escaped with a warning rather than a charge.
Her response was safe and considered. Loo-gate was a one-day, one-story wonder.
But how glorious would it have been if she had gone into bat on behalf of homeowners and business people everywhere?
Ardern worked in Prime Minister Helen Clark's office and has been an MP for nine years.
If she can't figure out the DIY rules, what hope the rest of us?
She could have usefully and forcefully made that point.
She could have opined it's impossible for people to be compliant with the law - unless they are wealthy and able to bring in professional help for every little job.
We are overwhelmed by rules and regulations at home and at work.
We are like Ardern. We don't know what we can and can't do. We just get on with the job and hope we don't get caught.
If Ardern had ripped into the madness she would have had those of us on the sidelines cheering.
We would have a champion. Someone who understands how it's impossible to be compliant with rules you never think of or know about and the worry that engenders that someone from the council, a business competitor or a troublesome neighbour can make the sort of trouble Ardern suffered.
Besides, what's the point of the rule? The toilet was successfully installed and there has been no issue. Indeed, it was Ardern's proudest DIY moment. Good on her. I have had such moments myself.
Why is Government busy robbing homeowners of them?
My dad built the toilet, dug the well and pit-sawed the timber for our first house. It was necessity. It made homeownership affordable. He was free to get on with the job. We survived and thrived.

Red tape is robbing a generation of the ability to own a home. It's robbing them of the satisfaction of providing for their family. It's not just costing us homes but our jobs, too.
It's a huge cost to being in business.
It has become impossible to hire or fire without professional advice. Everywhere you turn, mad rules and regulations and the need to get consent are costing us homes and opportunities. We could be so much better off.
Ardern had a taste of the madness. Her brightest DIY moment was blighted. She could have stuck up for herself. And in doing so, stuck up for all of us. But no. She apologised.
She is part of the problem, not the solution.
You can't choose who you are.....but you are the sum of your choices.......

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Re: Member of Parliment doing there own plumbing
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2017, 08:34:23 PM »
So all you need is Martins ear......oh and to be connected high up......higher than us anyway.......still feel like we are on an even playing field......we are not.......

Jacinda Ardern via 

Mar 18 (2 days ago)
to Paul

Hi Paul

All of my engagement was with the Chief Executive





From: Paul & Emma Gee []
Sent: Monday, 13 March 2017 8:36 a.m.
To: Jacinda Ardern <>
Cc: 'Wal Gordon' <>;;
Subject: Plumbers


Hi Jacinda,


I have recently read about your brush with the PGDB.


Please take the time to read a submission I made to a Select committee. I have lost everything because of the corrupt and biased actions of the PGDB, the same people who said it was ok for you to change a toilet because you acknowledged and apologised for it.


I did absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever but lost everything, please can you let me know to whom you acknowledged and apologised to, so I can do the same and clear my name.


Yours with integrity Paul Gee.

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