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how to dispose of the pgdb

1.  replace with same
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2.  give them an all inclusive trip to melbourne
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3.  get parliament to tighten the act and put a stop to this s***t
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4.  put it all under the dhb
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Author Topic: when is child abuse relevent to gasfitting???  (Read 13486 times)

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Offline TS

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Re: when is child abuse relevent to gasfitting???
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2012, 07:54:29 PM »
No offence taken guys. Badger, your totally up against it. Who are you going to take this to? No media will highlight this as it seriously isn't an issue, similar things have happened and will continue. They've broken no laws. I doubt they read all this out in the hearing anyway and can't help but think you've skewed things slightly? Can you provide the transcripts or have they doctored them?

The more this goes on the more I've been hearing about some errors made by the board which actually led to you getting off ;)

Offline Badger

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Re: when is child abuse relevent to gasfitting???
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2012, 08:08:42 PM »
I was found 95% innocent in their own hearing and I am pretty sure we got a strong argument for the appeal, they pressed charges and then investigated it, all the while lying about me and stacking it all.

My hands are tied until the appeal, but after, win or loose I want answers
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Re: when is child abuse relevent to gasfitting???
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2012, 09:57:08 PM »
TS - you are right when you say Badger is up against it.  The thread is a bit confusing - it would have perhaps been a bit easier to understand the context if all the information was given in one go - but I can understand that Badger is very stressed and more than a little angry at what has transpired, and perhaps also unable to release all the information until the appeal hearing.    I've never had a lot of time for lawyers - but they are a necessary evil.  They are bottom feeders - and cases to them are like battles - they will use whatever weapons they have at their disposal.  TS is correct in that case law is case law - it stands alone and is what it is.  Although very unpleasant reading, and certainly I could understand upsetting for your wife - they are not likening you to any of the people mentioned in the case law, just using it to illustrate a point - and who knows, maybe knock you off your game at the same time.

The sooner the high court hearing is over and you can tell the full, unedited story - the sooner every tradesman in NZ will feel a shiver go down their spine and wonder "what if that was me".  It will be quite an eye opener if the whole transcript of the original hearing were available.  One thing I am sure of - the investigation does not appear to have been well carried out - in fact I have heard and read enough to say it was, in my opinion, inept.  I know the Board have no choice but to proceed with a hearing if the investigator  says - so without wanting to defend them one could say they did right by you in finding you innocent of 42 of the 44 particulars.  You have the opportunity to clear yourself on the final two at the High Court Hearing in March.    Then you can open the Pandoras box for all to read and see. 
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Re: when is child abuse relevent to gasfitting???
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2012, 09:08:03 AM »
I thought lawyers studied ethics as well. Jax your trying to see good in people, which is a quality(not taking the mick), but these people the Board included(including the new replacements) were privy to all my warnings dated back to 2003, 6 years before the explosion and it was them that appointed the investigator and had the opportunity to stay proceedings at the impartiality hearing(which was when they put some of this filth out there), I showed them photos of the investigator, with my ex boss and Board members, they had plenty of opportunity to make the right decision.

I was acquitted on 42 out of 44 charges because, even in there own biased court, it was blatant that I had done no wrong and it was trumped up, but they still decided to hold on to one last charge to go me again in the papers.

You are giving them way too much credit, if someone gets accused of something and is proven innocent does he then owe the accusers anything, especially when it was a definite fit up from the start.

It amazes me that my hands are tied until after the appeal, but they can misquote me and say that there were serious concerns with my abilities before the appeal, but not list any.

I will write down all that happened and release it publically, just waiting on the final chapter.

The very basic thing is, I had complained about all this for 6 years trying to warn about what happened, then when it did happen they had the choice of ruining my credability or answering why they hadn't acted on my warnings, they chose the latter. You really are giving them too much credit mate, they had plenty of opportunities to do the right thing, but put them selves first.

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Re: when is child abuse relevent to gasfitting???
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2012, 09:22:49 AM »
Badger - I unreservedly apologise if you think I am giving them any credit - believe me I do not mean to.  However, I do understand the process they must work under - which is unweldly and slow.   I have watched this case with great interest - as I believe it illustrates to every gasfitter in NZ just how vulnerable they are against a machine who has a virtual endless supply of money and a parcel of lawyers at their disposal.  It shows that justice is hard to get - and it also illustrates the fact that I am convinced that numbers of practitioners in the past have pleaded guilty to charges simply to get them to disappear.  Your case provided a robust defence - and this defence showed some huge holes in the investigation - which leads me to believe that investigations have not been well carried out and therefore the industry not served well by this process.  I accept and fully believe that you have been trying to get people to listen to you about gas certificates purchased in your name without your knowledge and then subsequently filled in.  To me this is fraud - plain and simple and I wonder if you would get more support from the NZ Police than you are getting from MP's and the Board when you make these statements. 

Lawyers do study ethics - but I'm pretty sure most of them leave that at the door when they set up practice!  There's a reason why they don't feature highly in the NZ trusted positions of employment!  I wish you all the very best at your appeal hearing and eagerly await the outcome.   It would be great if an investigative reporter could take an interest in this case - 20/20 or Sunday - then the whole of NZ could hear about it.

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Re: when is child abuse relevent to gasfitting???
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2012, 01:56:59 PM »
All good Jax, I am definitely going to take this further after the appeal.

As I see it you don't take action and you cover up obvious flaws and possible fraud then you are compliant after the fact, and need looking at....I can hear the shredders going now.


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Re: when is child abuse relevent to gasfitting???
« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2012, 04:09:35 PM »
Just read all of these posts and put the general story together about what our mighty "board"..laugh,laugh,cough,cough has been up to here with badgers story.
Just told my partner and shes been reading these posts too...
Basically this industry sickens us,if these are some of there tactics to help there cause in any way to a few quilty verdicts...anyone involved with this attempt to pull paul down with this crap is in our opinion is the typical well paid board member scum or scum associate.  Gang members in suits...



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Re: when is child abuse relevent to gasfitting???
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2012, 05:57:40 PM »
hi guys, yes and you can`t get justice even when you are right,cheers

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Re: when is child abuse relevent to gasfitting???
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2012, 05:32:39 PM »
Have a look at the entry under Paul Gee History, on this section ;)

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Re: when is child abuse relevent to gasfitting???
« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2012, 08:56:58 AM »
just put British Regs on there too, have a gander


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