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Offline plumber78

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the board and our lives
« on: October 23, 2009, 11:38:21 AM »
hey plumbers
 great to find this website, awesome

since starting my apprenticeship over eight years ago allot of things have changed in the running of our industry.

I am currently studying for my craftsman common exam and finding a lot of the material to be extensive in other fields for example law and accounting.
i believe it is good to have a basic knowledge of these aspects BUT do not believe it should be compulsory
to be able to work for yourself or start a business.
what other trade in new zealand requires these kinds of qualifications?

prices have gone through the roof since i sat my first exam at a cost of $150 about 4 years ago
and the price of licensing is a joke

the board needs to be held accountable for the poor results in examinations due to poor wording of questions and not providing codes

why should exams be closed book when we refer to our codes on a regular basis, as this is what they are for.
 
If the plumbers gasfitters and drainlayers band together I'm sure we can improve the industry and make it more enjoyable to work in,

what  would happen if everyone decided not to re license next year? would anyone sit up and take notice that the plumbers of NZ are not happy with the service,support or dictatorship of the board

if my letter is poorly worded its because i haven't yet studied the letter writing portion of my course
have a nice day
plumber78

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Re: the board and our lives
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2009, 10:32:17 PM »
Hi,why do we bother have a look at this,
DIY booming again
Skilled tradesmen are being forced to slash their prices as cash-conscious Kiwis decide to do it themselves. This time last year building industry sources reported skilled workers charging up to $60 an hour. Now many have slashed their rates after the building consents fell to a 22-year low.
"Effectively, we're down to the same building volume we were at in 1987," said registered Master Builders Association chief executive Warwick Quinn.
"A lot of builders are struggling because there is no work and prices are getting very competitive. Many are dropping their hourly rates and having to lay people off."
Bob Chand, who runs Kameron's Plumbing and Building Maintenance in Papakura, South Auckland, with his son, has laid off four staff in the past year. Despite lowering his hourly rate from $50 to $30, he is struggling to find more than six jobs a week.
Chand says the mortgage repayments on his house are overdue and his phone was disconnected because he couldn't afford to pay the $200 bill. "It's so difficult at the moment because it's just me and my son I couldn't afford the other guys any more - and more people are deciding to do the work themselves."

This is a news paper report from earlier in the year but clearly shows the trend towards DIYers.
I wonder if our beloved leaders will lower all the costs that we as plumbers,gasfitters,drainlayers have to pay just to be able to go to work

Savings on tap
When it came to renovating his bathroom, Chris Duke didn't hesitate to do it himself.
Duke, who lives with his partner and two sons on Auckland's North Shore, estimates he's saved about $4500 on the job.
"It's really hard work but it's better than spending thousands on getting people in - the man-hours involved are hugely expensive."
Duke combed Auckland stores and internet sites to find the best deals on materials.
He bought his bathroom tiles at a sale for $250, a shower unit for $60 and a porcelain vanity and chrome taps for $400 on Trade Me.
He scored a free second-hand bathtub through a friend and is reinstalling the toilet from the original bathroom.
The cost of other materials, tools and paint came to about $300.
"After talking to plumbers and electricians I figured it would cost me around $6000 to pay someone to do it.
"Doing it myself, I think it will come to about $1500 all up."
Daron Brinsdon is midway through a DIY bathroom renovation at his house in Auckland's Ellerslie.



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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 02:08:50 PM »
A sign of the times and it will only get worse when new regulations are introduced.
Business owners in the plumbing and gas-fitting industry are blowing the whistle on unlicensed tradesmen allegedly operating in the Wakatipu area.
"When work is not bountiful, some people apparently decide to turn their hands to plumbing without authorisation.
"The number of plumbers and gas-fitters that are working in the district without the required licence and registration seems to be growing.
"That is why we have decided to raise the issue, so an investigation can be carried out," Advantage Plumbing and Drainage managing director Peter Faul said.
Last week, Mr Faul and a group of local tradesmen and business owners met in Queenstown to discuss the issue of unlicensed practitioners.
The group has presented its concern to the Master Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers organisation, but is apprehensive about talking publicly about its findings.
"This is a small community and livelihoods can be at stake, so I cannot name anyone until the formal investigation has been done.
"But we have collated a list of names of individuals and companies that appear to operate without licences, and shown it to our organisation," Mr Faul said.
Plumbers and gas-fitters are required by law to be both registered and licenced.
The registration is permanent, but the licence has to be renewed each year.
Under the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Act it is an offence to "knowingly employ, permit or pay any person to do plumbing or gasfitting" without a licence.
Lakes Environmental (LE) is the local authority responsible for ensuring that work carried out at construction sites in the region is done by licensed tradesmen.
Chief executive Hamish Dobbie said LE checked registration and licensing as part of its ongoing building control.
If a plumber did not have the appropriate licence and registration, LE could not issue the certificate of compliance for the building.
But Mr Dobbie did not share the local tradesmen's concern.
"I am not aware of any growing trend of more people operating without a licence. If we are informed of specific issues, we will consider adjusting our control as needed," Mr Dobbie said.
At the national level, the Master Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Association is aware of unlicensed practitioners in its industry, and Master Plumbers chief executive Fiona Gavriel agrees the problem is on the rise.
"This is a nationwide problem that has been magnified by the recession, which puts pressure on the workforce.
"It is getting noticeably worse in areas with a relatively large number of construction sites, like Queenstown and part of Auckland," Ms Gavriel said.
The Master Plumbers association intends to take the matter further to the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board as written complaints.
The board is a ministerially appointed body corporate in charge of registrations and licensing for the industry.
When a complaint is laid with the board, it initially checks its merits, and if it is deemed valid it will be examined by an independent qualified investigator.
The board can ultimately choose to bring the case before the District Court.
Chairwoman Hazel Armstrong said the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board took breaches of the licensing regulation very seriously.
"The industry is regulated for a reason. It is not just to maintain high standards of the trade, but to ensure the safety of the customers," she said.
Ms Armstrong pointed out that part of the responsibility lay with the consumer.
"New Zealanders have a very practical attitude to regulation, and often think that everyone can `do it themselves', but that mentality can come at a high price and risk.
"The board therefore intends to launch an information campaign next year to raise awareness within the industry, local government and the public of the importance of using only licensed tradesmen," she said.

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Re: the board and our lives
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2009, 03:01:00 PM »
Some good news - some local TA's take the matter seriously too.  We recently reported a home owner who had completed some work our company had started because he wanted to save money.  We were listed on the consent as the plumbers - and so we wrote to the local council clearly stating what we had done on the job and what the home owner had done and asked that it be attached to the consent for future years if there were any problems.  The Council viewed the matter seriously and rescinded the home owners consent sign off and sent a please explain letter.  My advice is if you know someone is doing plumbing work and isn't a licensed practitioner - then follow up on it, write to the PGDB and the Council.
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2009, 03:31:07 PM »
I agree, that is very good advice!
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Re: the board and our lives
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2010, 12:57:08 AM »
i say dont be registered and pay the fees grow balls plumbers

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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2010, 09:32:17 AM »
hi guys, plumber/jax i understand why you say report an unlicensed person who is doing our work but the more people that  the board are able to prosecute from complaints, the more it will cost us for them to do so. I say if people have a problem with anyone doing illegal work, there is ample services out there to call on without involving the board, we don`t have to justify thier existence for them, let them do it. Work by the untrained (you will never stop it) usually fails pretty quickly so at some stage we pick up the work to fix it, i don`t see the problem,cheers. 

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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2010, 06:54:32 PM »
the problem with droping your rates in a recession is it will take years to get your charge rates back up to norm...You cant just go from 60-70 per hour one day then drop to 30-40 and then go straight back to the 60-70 you should be charging at a minimum anyways...has the lawyer or doctor EVER droped there rates,mechanics still charging 80 p/h...im not going to do 6 yrs to work for a meesly 30-40 per hour NO WAY...we as plumbers need to stay fixed in our charges...When a job needs to be done it needs to be done full stop and the coustomer will always try and screw the poor tradie, We have noticed an increase of people trying to tell us what our hourly charge is going to be...We just move on as these are pointers of a poor payer and send a red light siginal that full and final payment is going to be a hassle. >:(

On DIY folk...I would like them to be fined for doing illegal work but am undecided as to report them as sooner or later they will need a plumber to fix there cowboy workmanship guranteed...most of em use ptfe tape etc pushlock fittings/no fall pipe work...and when they do finally accept that they rearly dont know what there doing and do ring a plumber...Full rates apply as you can normaly see the differance between trade work and DIY work. :o

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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2010, 08:01:33 PM »
hi
when i used to come across diy plumbing in the UK i would charge more to check the work that they had done before  i started  and of course charge them a fee for doing this , in 18yrs of doing this i never had a problem with  them paying for my services ,i would also say i never did free estimates or quotes as this doesn't pay, OK i hear you saying that this wouldn't work here but yes it would you just have to offer a good service and get your self a good name by not making stupid  mistake as mistake cost you money ( RIGHT FIRST TIME and IF A JOB WORTH DOING ITS WORTH DOING RIGHT) 

JD


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