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Offline Jaxcat

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Gasfitter May Be Scapegoat
« on: May 05, 2011, 06:04:27 PM »
Hi guys
Well worth having a look at this link to the Nelson Mail from today and then you can also look at the links to yesterday's paper.  This refer's to Badgers case who has posted on here many times.  The link is  http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/4965690/Gasfitter-may-be-a-scapegoat     


Not sure if the link will work, otherwise cut and paste it or google Nelson Mail - it was the lead story today.  Big ups to Wal Gordon for doing his best - now we just need to wait and hear what the outcome is. 

I would also encourage practitioners to email Dr Nick Smith and thank him for coming out in support of Paul Gee.  It doesn't happen often enough and if we write to Dr Smith and congratulate him on standing up to be counted then he may want to investigate the PGDB a bit further.  As an industry we need all the people we can get to shine a spotlight on the PGDB and their activities.

Nick Smith's email address is nick4nelson@parliament.govt.nz or alternatively send it to his private secretary to pass on to him Lucy.Paul@parliament.govt.nz    Politicians respond to numbers and this guy has finally stood up for one of his electorate who has been badly dealt with.
If you do send an email, post on here that you have so we can get an idea of numbers.  In the meantime we should be sending good wishes to the gasfitter for a good outcome.  And to Wal Gordon - you deserve a medal and a BEER!!!!


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Re: Gasfitter May Be Scapegoat
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2011, 06:36:33 PM »
Can I ask what caused the explosion?

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Re: Gasfitter May Be Scapegoat
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2011, 06:44:49 PM »
If you follow the link and then click to the link on the side of the page that comes up - there is an article about the Fish and Chip Shop explosion.  From my reading on here and from what I know about the issue the explosion was caused by a failure (not a product failure) of the LPG steel flexi hose connecting to the fryer i.e. the hose had been pulled backwards and forwards to allow cleaning and it had abraided the casing of the hose, causing a leak.  Not too sure on the source of ignition - and there is a long and detailed explanation about how the hose was in such a position that this could happen - the basis of which is one of the issues raised at the hearing.  There are explanations from Badger himself on this forum under different headings - and better to hear this from the horses mouth rather than the horses arse!!  (LOL)   Have a look through Badger's posts and you'll get a pretty good idea of what the background is.
 

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Re: Gasfitter May Be Scapegoat
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2011, 08:57:17 PM »
yup i sent thanks...good on him for supporting the real victim here

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Re: Gasfitter May Be Scapegoat
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2011, 09:04:19 PM »
hi guys,if a flexi-pipe connection failed as they say then it seems that a lack of maintenance checks was the cause, surely the gasfitter cannot be held responsible for that,cheers

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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2011, 09:10:01 PM »
hi guys,i wondered why Wal was in Nelson he is in Christchurch tommorrow he may have a meeting arranged for a get together,cheers

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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2011, 10:47:10 PM »
Good on Wal Gordon for helping out Paul Gee who has been the target of those pack of bastards we have to keep funding in Wellington.
Good on Nick Smith for comming out in support of Paul.  I hope he can let that idiot Williamson in on a few home truths about the Board aka Bastards.

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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2011, 07:19:29 PM »
hi guys/badger, in the past i had done some certifying for a company down here but i filled in the paperwork and sent it on there was no way i was giving that to the company that way it could not be altered, what happened to your copy? i also supervised/tested and checked the installations,cheers

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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2011, 09:00:31 PM »
i sent in my fathers story of the run in he had with the PGDB...even after the home owner admitted to changing the pipework himself the stupid PGDB still tried to prosiecute him!


Thanks for this email - I have forwarded it to the bosses blackberry so he gets it this morning - You may not be surprised to know you aren't the only person making similar comments.

Kind regards

Judy Cunningham
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Hon Dr Nick Smith
MP NELSON
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2011, 09:03:25 PM »
I was told by my boss to hand in my job card and his daughter would fill a cert out and hand it back for me to sign, which I did and then ( and this is where I was naive to the point of being thick) handed it back all four copies together for them to "keep safe" the most monumental cock up of my career, I tried since 2003, the year I left his firm (explosion 2009) to get it looked at, I only worked for him for 9 months, it was the first time I was made to sign off work ( except for 2 certs I had done in 1999), what a plonker....you know what its like new job, don't want to rock the boat, going along with how they did things, ..... and they have done the same thing to other fitters aswell as me.

I thought my old boss was a timeserved 40 year experience gasfitter( going by his age), but was given his ticket with no apprenticeship, about 10 years earlier, he was working totally unchecked and untrained for about 10 years in my area.

Like my old Nan used to say ......don't trust the arse you sit on.
You can't choose who you are.....but you are the sum of your choices.......

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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2011, 09:23:43 PM »
yea it sucks when you put your trust in someone and they f**k you over like that...have you contacted the manfacturer of the braided hose to ask them what there maintance reckomendations are on there product?...if there is no proff of regular inspection and maintance by a qualified person then of course neglect has occured relieving you of responsibilty...which is what is easy to see...everybody has a responsibilty of due care and just using something and not checking it from time to time means that problems can arrise in my eyes...just like a car which every damb 6 mts has to be checked...one would think in a industral/commercial situation where the install is used heaverly most every day that it would need to be inspected at regular 6mth intervials or something like that so any problems can be picked up before they become a danger...it is only common safety scense that any exposed pipework in a commercial setting should be inspected for damage evey so often!...The STUPID PGDB would rather wait for things to fail so they can justify there existance instead they should be pushing for more safety regulations which would see the PUBLIC much safer off at the end of the day.

Keep on keeping on badger and enjoy your weekend!.

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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2011, 10:31:44 PM »
hi badger/guys,yes i was told that "we will buy the certs for you" No no i will get the certs and charge you for them, "can you send them to us so we can pass them on" No no i will do it and i did, anyone who is working for wages whether a certifyer or not should let the certifying boss do the signing and the paperwork, you would need $100 per hr and full insurance to certify the work or you could finish up in trouble as you have found badger. Another gasfitter i know installed a commertial system designed by engineers then certifyed it, it when wrong bigtime he got nailed for $10000 by the board while the engineers walked away, just be carefull thinking others know better than you because you are responsible for what is signed for,cheers, and good luck badger i am sure that common sense will prevail

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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2011, 08:01:20 AM »
All these examples must be passed on to your MP or the OAG, IF THEY DON'T KNOW THEN THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

WHEN IT ALL COMES OUT ABOUT HOW AND WHY ALL THIS IS GOING ON, CHANGE WILL, IF NOT MUST, COME.

THIS OUR INDUSTRY AND IT IS GOING DOWN THE DRAIN, PARDON THE PUN.

THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE SUPPORT, GET YOUR NAME DOWN WITH WAL AND THE FEDERATION OR ITS JUST TALK, WE NEED ACTION ;)

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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2011, 08:20:59 AM »
hi guys/thunder, i wonder if gasfitters could legally put a disclaimer on their invoices such as:-  "All gasfitting work needs to be safety checked annually, failure to do this will void the warrentee" i think it should be looked into as a possibility, it`s not worth being in an industry that can apply huge penalties on innocent parties,cheers   

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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2011, 08:47:29 AM »
Can you imagine going back to a mechanic and saying its your fault the brakes failed and I crashed my car, even though I haven't had my car serviced or warrented for SIX years. :o

It is fundamental to gas systems to get them regularly tested and serviced, but people won't until you make them, and if the Board persecutes fitters for this lack of servicing and maintenance, what message does that send to the customer??

Also some w**ker lowered my pipe work and bayonets( to about 200mm off the floor), which I had told the inquisitor but he ignored, and only got to see the withheld photos, that validated what I was saying at the bloody hearing. Dodgy as!!!


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