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Another board u-turn
« on: June 21, 2012, 09:12:54 PM »
What do you recon is this another backdown by the board?  :)
If we keep the pressure up things can change


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Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012 9:55 p.m.
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Enquiry: When are you going to alter the page of personal details so we can edit what the public will be able to see? NOT HAPPY WITH THIS DECISION. will provide min amount of detail possible. Lot of people will provide false details and bugger your ability to be able to contact them


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Offline Wal

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Re: Another board u-turn
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2012, 06:11:33 AM »
Well done About Gas.  Imagine if people didn't stand up and hold the Board accountable.

We would have been lumbered with what they gave us,  We need more of this type of action and more people to support it.

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Re: Another board u-turn
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2012, 11:14:02 AM »
Sounds good, I dont see any laws stopping people from hammering the relevant areas or people of this industry with letters or e-mails.

Good one aboutgas, nice to see a corporate at the board take note.
The Plumbers Gasfitters And Drainlayers Board- "White Collar Mafia"

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Re: Another board u-turn
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2012, 09:55:44 AM »
Aboutgas....perhaps it is because there are over eleven gas certs knowingly accepted by the Board with the gas test results empty with in a test batch of 150....one of these certs are for an exploding chipshop....claimed not to have been registered by the Board with no one held accountable......but this unregistered cert has an electronic copy on their system, who ever is responsible for this is corrupt. I know the Board monitor this site ....so lets have your spin on that.

I say this loud and publicly....the Board are covering up a dodgy cert register....and now conveniently this system is to be wound down.

And I am the person who lacks fundamental knowledge about the responsibility about the gas trade and cert process, Yeah right!!!!

You can't choose who you are.....but you are the sum of your choices.......

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Re: Another board u-turn
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2012, 06:08:13 PM »
Actually heard about another incident the other day where a property had a flue coming out very close to a gas meter.  Gasfitter tunred up to do a reconnect and would not do it as clearances were insufficient - three gas certs on the property - one for a cooker, one for two water heaters and one for a Rinnai balanced flue.  He knew one of the gasfitters and so phoned him to ask him if he remembers the job - said gasfitter visited the property and said he had never done work there - the had done work at the house next door, but not that one.  Got told that one of his certs showed on the PGDB website against this property so home he goes to request a paper copy and blow shit out of them for incorrect data entry.  Energy supplier have requested copies of all certificates - and so someone is going to be in the crap up to their eyeballs - looks like the first cert taken out was for the balanced flue heater - but then at least one other gasfitter has visited site and installed this and not picked up the short distance between flue and meter.  No OPSO on meter - so it definitely a problem.

We should expect, no, demand the highest standards from the PGDB when they judge others for anything less then correct.  Bollocking up data entry is not acceptable, there should have been checking and double checking methodologies employed - or better still - scan them and post them - then there is no mistake about what has been put down and what is available publicly.

Sadly - how much more faith can we have in the proposed system???   And how will the Board audit gasfitters without this information?  Will ESS pass it to them, but then if it is a low or medium risk installation nothing looks like it will be filed with them, so it could end up like the sparky auditing where they pull your name out of a hat and ask to see all your certificates or jobs and then select a random number to visit.
Have you learned lessons only of those who admired you, and were tender with you, and stood aside for you?  Have you not learned great lessons from those who braced themselves against you, and disputed the passage with you?  (Walt Whitman 1819-1891)  American Poet

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Re: Another board u-turn
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2012, 07:08:30 PM »
Jax, have you seen how grey the outlines for the gas work are, medium risk a is fecking califont and a cooker...........that would cover a hell of a lot jobs you go to.... so High risk is if you fit a fire too?? or is a gas heater high risk and a hob not?? confusing..... until they clarify which will be after they set the dogs on you. Is it by mega-joule rating?? or are gas fires more risky than hobs and califonts??

Can I get an answer about an alternative solution, hell no.....they just wait until they got you by the bollox,,,, that is where their power is.....all protected by the dysfunctional Act.

The biggest dicks in it all, US LOT .....FOR LETTING THEM DO IT.


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Re: Another board u-turn
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2012, 07:56:49 PM »
and Jax who are they going to "randomly" audit......those they want to get...... ignoring their mates and those who suck up....

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Re: Another board u-turn
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2012, 10:20:23 PM »
Badger I am also confused about who made the decision, and how they came to sort out low risk, medium risk and high risk.  It can't be megajoule based because most califonts are 160 mj plus and therefore are more than say an energysaver at 23 mj.  Low risk I think is anything that is not required to be certified now, I don't understand the difference between medium and high risk.  To me all gasfitting has the potential to be high risk.  I thought they were going to classify high risk around such things as schools, hospitals, rest homes etc.  The consultation on this has been pretty light - and kept to a select group of suit wearers.  They certainly never seemed to go out into the wide world of practitioners in any great numbers.  I think we will regret this in years to come, and then it will be too late as the horse will have bolted.  It opens the door up to more clowns to practice gasfitting without a licence.

Random audits?  Who knows how they pick you at the moment.  The PGDB operate like a group of freemasons. I'm just not sure where they tie up their goats.

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Re: Another board u-turn
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2012, 09:02:43 AM »
Jax .....the most dangerous gas set up in my opinion are the totally mobile, flueless cabinet heaters with a 9 kg right in the back of it......go figure, they contravene nearly every reg ( clearance from source of ignition, vented cylinder enclosures, plain common sense, never mind the damp) .....it has one of the smallest gas cylinders used in NZ (placed about 50 mm behind the burner) and a relativity low MJ  rating, you can put them in any room ( but you should not, and this mobility is one of the main concerns ) and any muppet can "install" them so to speak, just pop along to any hard ware store and buy one....and people never get them serviced. All with out any cert or expert to set up, actually endorsed as such.

But they sell so much gas through them it is allowed..... funny how the same gas industry don't pay any thing toward the policing and enforcing of the same regs that allow them to profit from the public......all represented by the industry groups that sit on the Board.........funny that. Reg's written and enforced by the same crew....actually paid handsomely for it, all against the recommendations of the NZ law commission and with full permission of the Right Horrible Member (lol member) of Parliament and bulding and construction minister.

But now two misguided young souls have sadly lost their lives we will have an inquiry ( which will be about huffing and not these deadly heaters)..... of note is we are one of the only countries in the world to allow these mobile death traps, by the same muppets captaining this off course galleon of bullshit.

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Re: Another board u-turn
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2012, 09:08:20 AM »
Coroner's warning on huffing
Otago Daily Times
New Zealand was one of the few countries that allowed freestanding unflued gas heaters and "we will watch the Chief Coroner's findings with interest" he said. Mr Tilyard said the pair were believed to be huffing from two 9kg gas bottles in the lounge 

Sad...  very sad


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