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Re: As/nzs5601 parts 1 & 2
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2015, 11:48:32 PM »
Here you are....have a read of the hearing, but bear in mind the investigation, since April 2009, the hearing in May 2011, over two years of bullshit....and abuse...and character assassination....


.........and when I get to question them on their "take" on matters....its shut down.....



Its a long read.....but the two years before were even longer.....
You can't choose who you are.....but you are the sum of your choices.......

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Re: As/nzs5601 parts 1 & 2
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2015, 11:50:43 PM »
I have tried to fix this since 2002.........

How much endurance do you have?

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Re: As/nzs5601 parts 1 & 2
« Reply #32 on: November 08, 2015, 12:19:05 AM »
Hammond says....... I don't have any knowledge of whether products of combustion are in fact entering or not. I have not carried out any tests to demonstrate. I am unaware of any tests that have been carried out to demonstrate that.

MR PARKER: Well I think we have reached the point where we are having submissions, so I think we can adjourn now.

SHUT DOWN....BY HIS MATE.......

Imagine losing your business and reputation in this manner with your wife abused and threatened with material like this attached.....please don't open if child sexual abuse offends.....


I think I am more than justified to nut off....

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Re: As/nzs5601 parts 1 & 2
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2015, 02:19:47 PM »
Black is Wal, my representative.....

Hammond is Blue, the PGDB investigator.....

Red is Parker the chair.....and long time colleague of Hammond. Both on the secretariat for GANZ for many years and members of NZIGE....REMEMBER Darnley was also a member of NZIGE, and lots of other gas groups, just like GANZ.....

Hammond was the president of GANZ in 1994, and at that point had 12 years with GANZ.......2003 Hammond and Parker are on the secretariat together and the Kennedy trust together and were for many years.....they told untruths about this in legal signed documents, signed affidavits....

I complained about all of this and was told I had to give Hammond and Parker a chance to act egregiously......when they did, I could do nothing.......

Darnley, not even an apprenticeship served, but goes under the guise of an engineer as a member of NZIGE..... resigned from NZIGE weeks after the explosion, and was granted a full certifying gas fitters license after just one oral exam way back in 1998....I am told only about 10 people ever got a license like this.....it cost me thousands and hours, days and weeks to get mine....and I had a f****in apprenticeship under my belt......just like loads of other guys just like me....

This is taken from the end of the transcript, the last day just before it was ended after a 2 and a half years of being terrorised by these goons, and a 3 day grilling at the hearing, my business was gone and I left to work away for two years days later......please see below......


Q. That's fine. Now, the second thing I have just to clarify and you're talking about Part 1 and Part 2 of the Act. Now Part 1 is what must be done, what you must comply with?

A. Part 1 is the mandatory requirement.

Q. Mandatory requirement, yes, and Part 2 is a way of compliance?

A. That's correct.

Q. Now, the reason I was asking about that, because on page 35 of the edition I have here, 1.5.7, it meanings about flue terminals and in the second paragraph of that section it reads: "Flue terminals shall be located to minimise entry of combustion products into any building and to minimise the effects of adverse draft on the performance of the gas appliances". So in reading that, if there's no gas entering into a building, then it complies with Part 1?

A. Yes, the aim of that is to make sure that gas does not enter into the building.

Q. So that's the aim of it, so if there is no gas, say in this case we've got two situations where people are saying there's no gas entering, then according to that paragraph then it complies with Part 1 of the Act?

A. No, I don't rely on consumers whether the gas was entering or not, it is the gas fitter's job to locate it in such a way that gas does not enter the building.

Q. But that's what it's saying here though isn't it, it's saying that if the flues aren't entering the building then it complies with Part 1?

A. Yes, but -

Q. And if the customers are saying fumes aren't entering the building then it's compliant with Part 1?

A. But in order to ensure that under all conditions products of combustion do not enter into the premises, then one way of complying is to ensure that the clearances are in accordance with Part 2. If you are putting in an appliance with clearances other than those in Part 2, then you need to demonstrate how the - how you have ensured that under all conditions the products of combustion can't enter the property.

Q. That doesn't say "in all conditions" there. Does it say in here "all conditions"?

A. No it doesn't say all conditions, but that's surely a general inference from the requirements of the standard to meet all conditions.

Q. Well an inference is fine, but as per it says here the - that's located to minimise entry of combustion products and to minimise the effects of adverse draft et cetera. So those - if there's no fumes entering those two locations that we've been talking about, then they're actually compliant with the mandatory part of the NSZ 5261?

A. I don't have any knowledge of whether products of combustion are in fact entering or not. I have not carried out any tests to demonstrate. I am unaware of any tests that have been carried out to demonstrate that.


MR PARKER: Well I think we have reached the point where we are having submissions, so I think we can adjourn now.




You had to be there to witness the atmosphere.......but its ok his mate came to the rescue.....this was never a quest for truth, but a targeted attack......





This is for the last charge.....1 out of 44.......95 % innocent....would have been 100% if we could have pursued this......but its their game on their pitch and when they want to take their ball home they will....especially if they are loosing.....



Remember they boasted of a 100% conviction rate before this.....



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Re: As/nzs5601 parts 1 & 2
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2015, 04:37:10 PM »
Hi Badger, OK the point was adjourned and the point never pursued so was never completed so you could never have been guilty of the charge, end of. So how did you ever accept the verdict? If it was me I would have made them verify the point of the charge or drop it, cheers

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Re: As/nzs5601 parts 1 & 2
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2015, 05:25:24 PM »
I have tried every single way I could, I have gone to the, Master Plumbers, The Ombudsman, The Auditor General, Community law, the PGDB, MP's, and the High Court.....at every step I have been ignored and shut down or passed along. The Federation are the only people to have helped me.

I did nothing wrong, at all....I tried to warn about it for 6 years that something like this could happen, i.e. an incident with dodgy certs covering dangerous work installed by someone who had more "contacts" than common sense, training or ethics all lumped together.

And I have paid for his mistakes.

IF....big if.....and the PGDB did not, and never have to this day, said that I had exonerated myself and proven I knew what I was doing, and then went after the real culprit, with my life intact....then I could have lived with it....I could have carried on......but they went in my local paper, used their public weigh and went after me even after this kangaroo court....


Robbo mate, at my assessment, I could not find the course of instruction as the Board said I needed, because it did not exist.......I learned nothing new....and just being assessed I passed with flying colours, the assessor said I would be in the top 10% of fitters he had met.....(and he knew his stuff)

Yet still I got f**** all, I lost my business and my trade.....I got no work and I am working in another industry where I am reminded daily that I am new and made to feel like an apprentice.....


I am a bit peeved mate....






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Re: As/nzs5601 parts 1 & 2
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2015, 05:40:44 PM »
Ok Badger you did nothing wrong and I agree so what did they(and don't forget they were only a kangaroo court)assume you were guilty of and how did they make it stick,cheers mate

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Re: As/nzs5601 parts 1 & 2
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2015, 06:03:24 PM »
These people below were the Chair of my hearing and the so called "impartial" investigator, these quotes are taken from their own press releases....



Stephen Parker, Executive Director of the Gas Association of New Zealand since 1998.....taken from the press release from the PGDB news letter of March 2009, the explosion happened in April 2009....have a read too of the article in this newsletter By Tony Hammond and his take on re-certing an install and any chages to that install.....

the explosion happened weeks after this newsletter, the pipe work in the PGDB OWN WORDS WAS ALTERED...oh and the explosion was caused by a hose rupturing that was sold weeks after I left....and the pizza cert that the PDGB claim was never received by them, but a copy appears on their website and all the carbon copies show missing leak test info.

Tony Hammond wrote that he had been involved with GANZ for 12 years when he made the President in 1994.....in the other paper on "deregulation" and heaps praise on the self cert system that he lobbied for (the self cert system being the worst mistake of the gasfitting industry ever, in my opinion).....read the last page with Hammonds history....I also have a signed affidavit from Hammond saying he worked to get the self cert system brought in....

AT MY IMPARIALITY HEARING AND THE ACTUAL HEARING THEY DENIED BEING TOO FAMILIAR WITH EACH OTHER.....AND THAT Hammond WAS IMPARTIAL.....ignoring the fact that he had shown the short comings of the self cert system, that he lobbied for.....by Hammond himself granting a full craftsman license to a guy who did one oral exam and no apprenticeship....I think he had heaps to be partial to.....




The only thing the "got" on me was the califont installation....that's it out of 44 charges.....



I lost everything.....


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